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well, I agree that they need a slight price increase, but posting PoM/guru ratios isn't the way to prove anything. It's like posting ninja ratios on striker. There are a lot of units that can do well enough against CG and the fact that PoMs aren't one of those units doesn't prove much.
Again, I agree that they need a slight nerf in their price, 6k sounds fair enough to me. I also agree with Iamsmart that they come out too early, but switching places with shields won't do it. Maybe just make their development more expensive and longer
Again, I agree that they need a slight nerf in their price, 6k sounds fair enough to me. I also agree with Iamsmart that they come out too early, but switching places with shields won't do it. Maybe just make their development more expensive and longer
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Posting for Iamsmart, as he said every route has a counter to them.
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Never said you weren't, was merely justifying mine.
Cheese, just because 1 route doesn't have a direct counter to it? PoM is obviously a special case, since it doesn't kill. Therefore it can only stop as much as it can stop in one tick. And there is no repercussion for repeatedly doing it. Not every route can stop every unit - Especially true when you're solo.
I remember the same argument being used about tractors for two years and the entire community biting the head off of anybody who tried to use it.
I remember the same argument being used about tractors for two years and the entire community biting the head off of anybody who tried to use it.
tbh this suggestion isn't really about whether or not most routes can counter CGs at all - it's about the fact that they seem to be a little too good. So a small increase in their cost would reduce this problem without making the unit useless.
I'm in support of this, so long as the increase in price isn't too big (no more than £5k per unit)
I'm in support of this, so long as the increase in price isn't too big (no more than £5k per unit)
But in order to prove that they seem a little to good you have to provide this thing called evidence. It's usually pretty cool.
Oh, and a nerd to 6k wouldn't be slight. That's making the unit like more than 30% more expensive. Pretty devastating
Oh, and a nerd to 6k wouldn't be slight. That's making the unit like more than 30% more expensive. Pretty devastating
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Nah hippyvans don't even get good ratios on cg, and if you bought enough hippyvans then you'd leave yourself open to just simple flak attacks.
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You both make good points.
Personally I believe CGs are a *tad* overpowered for their price, and I don't think increasing the cost will ruin the unit.
Maybe increase it to between 5 and 6k per unit.
Personally I believe CGs are a *tad* overpowered for their price, and I don't think increasing the cost will ruin the unit.
Maybe increase it to between 5 and 6k per unit.
4.8k max if people REALLY think they're overpowered. 6k is nerfing the unit by 43%. And seeing how long this unit has been around, and how few complains there have been (although it is a relatively unpopular route) I don't think a 43% nerf is called for.
I agree with Mac. There are units for several routes that are powerful when first developed. CG's are just the temporary advantage unit for the shield route. Having played against CG's and as CG's, I think they are fine the way they are.