Hey Everyone,
I reset my password just so I could log in and post this. But before you get carried away THIS IS NOT EVERYTHING. I wish I could get it all but I can’t.
Here is a collection of Bushtarion War-Stories that I was able to get off web.archive.org. They were posted over the time period Apr 05 - Oct 06 (although a single one from 04 was also available). Of course formatting and emoticons are lost as I would have to add tags to every single post, something I am not prepared to do at this time.
Original posts can be viewed via web.archive.org through this link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20061113...php?f=20&sid=f2f769e7547422102556dc0f696c8081 (note that nearly every link outside the aforementioned time frame are broken as the page is not cached)
I will however post all those available here so they are on the forums. I will post from most recent to oldest. I will require at least 10 posts to fit them all (due to a post limit of 32,000 characters and a requirement of 300,000), so please don’t post replies until I have posted all I have to post. I will update [this space] when finished.
[edit]Finished posting, that is all I could get. It is not everything, but still a pretty decent portion.
I also have them all in MS Word with all formatting and emoticons. I don't know if anyone wants it since you can still access them on web.archive.org, but if you do I've attached them to this post as zip files. I had to cut it in half as .zip max attachment size is 97.5KB.
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I thought I'd also use this opportunity to suggest that we encourage war stories to again be told. The old forums used to have a section dedicated solely to these war stories where comments were directed into other areas of the forum. With such a set up in the new forums and a bit of encouragement, we could again see bush history regrow. Obviously with the playerbase of today and the lack of FTW it may appear somewhat lackluster in comparison, but when you look back you'll be glad you saved those moments. I guess it all depends on what happens to bush in the future, but that's for another thread.
If anyone has stories from past rounds, I strongly encourage you to post them. Whether you have them saved, or can write it off the top of your head, I'm sure others will appreciate the effort.
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Regards
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Nonchalant (Sat 14 Oct 06 12:01 am by Fubu )
Bed (Thu 12 Oct 06 11:12 am by LadyDarkAngel )
I reset my password just so I could log in and post this. But before you get carried away THIS IS NOT EVERYTHING. I wish I could get it all but I can’t.
Here is a collection of Bushtarion War-Stories that I was able to get off web.archive.org. They were posted over the time period Apr 05 - Oct 06 (although a single one from 04 was also available). Of course formatting and emoticons are lost as I would have to add tags to every single post, something I am not prepared to do at this time.
Original posts can be viewed via web.archive.org through this link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20061113...php?f=20&sid=f2f769e7547422102556dc0f696c8081 (note that nearly every link outside the aforementioned time frame are broken as the page is not cached)
I will however post all those available here so they are on the forums. I will post from most recent to oldest. I will require at least 10 posts to fit them all (due to a post limit of 32,000 characters and a requirement of 300,000), so please don’t post replies until I have posted all I have to post. I will update [this space] when finished.
[edit]Finished posting, that is all I could get. It is not everything, but still a pretty decent portion.
I also have them all in MS Word with all formatting and emoticons. I don't know if anyone wants it since you can still access them on web.archive.org, but if you do I've attached them to this post as zip files. I had to cut it in half as .zip max attachment size is 97.5KB.
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I thought I'd also use this opportunity to suggest that we encourage war stories to again be told. The old forums used to have a section dedicated solely to these war stories where comments were directed into other areas of the forum. With such a set up in the new forums and a bit of encouragement, we could again see bush history regrow. Obviously with the playerbase of today and the lack of FTW it may appear somewhat lackluster in comparison, but when you look back you'll be glad you saved those moments. I guess it all depends on what happens to bush in the future, but that's for another thread.
If anyone has stories from past rounds, I strongly encourage you to post them. Whether you have them saved, or can write it off the top of your head, I'm sure others will appreciate the effort.
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Regards
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Nonchalant (Sat 14 Oct 06 12:01 am by Fubu )
Leftovers (Thu 12 Oct 06 07:16 pm by Treedude )Subject description: as much as i can remember
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Nonchalant was formed from the a majority of old players and some new faces aswell. The "older" players have been with us a few rounds, but as always we had to bring in some new blood too. In previous rounds we have been Confusion, Noisufnoc,Discombobulation...
We began the round with the following lineup:
Fubu,DeathScythe,Recycle,Royalty6,Dinget,Grassy,Poopsmith,Havelock,Craig,Lukey,Stevey,LewisK,Dr4545,Thawk,Harriergirl,Woodsy,Nickk,Mak and err....(mail me cos i forgot-an ill update it)
Anywhos,
first tick passed away, and we had a good few people online, which was nice to see. we started pretty strong (for us) and over the course of the next week or so we progressed nicely, getting our developements done and trying to steal as many acres as possible. From the start Recycle, Woodsy,Stevey and Nickk, were all holding high positions within the top100 which was nice to see.
Obviously as soon as we started to get fat, we attracted some more attention and then came the attacks, quite a few but nothing major for now. We played our best defending as much as we can, and tbh we didnt loose too many acres.Once the "flak wars" started to die down, we continued to tech up as fast as we could and generally continue with our day to day business. Hitting smaller players and generally being nasty
A couple of weeks in we had agreed to attack the top alliance (at that time i think it was ravenous) along with a few other alliances. Although on the same note i dont remember saying we wouldnt hit other alliances hitting them A couple of our members sent at LO, and then we got a few messages asking why we were hitting them, as we were all supposed to be working together to take down rank 1. Fair enough i couldnt be bothered arguing so we recalled.
A couple of days later unfortunately i had to go away on holiday...so if this part isnt 100% correct forgive me as im going off what my offcers told me when i returned....
Middle of the round- ok so i leave my alliance wednesday morning at rank 6 (iirc) put my sexy beast officers in place and hand over leadership to Recycle/Royalty. A week later i return, eager to log onto bush to see how much money ive made (yeah sad i know )
As soon as i log in i see that our alliance has been hit, were down to about 16/17 members alot of the members had left and we were at rank 17/18. I must say thanks to all the people who stayed throughout this week as from what i heard it wasnt very nice. Apparently whilst i was away a snap was agreed between ourselves Axis, an LO for the duration of the period whilst rank 1 alliance was being attacked. From what ive been told a couple of hours after this was agreed our alliance recieved mass inc/waves from these two alliances, and well yeh, they pretty much raped us backwards alls fair in love and war
Luckily for me and our alliance the people who were left in charge and who stayed with us hadnt given up, theyd managed to sort out replacements, bringing us new faces, such as hamilton,Aaron, Asda,Jake,Vasques and a couple of others. Which was great to see, and even better we still had some fight left in us.
I got to work as soon as i could filling up the remaining spots, with players such as Middy, Sirwolfy and Nacho.
From then on in we started the long rebuild. Morale started to improve which was awesome and we were soon boosting up through the ranks again. Deathscythe at this point (besides dissapearing for food every 5minutes) decided that he wasnt enjoying his route, and therefore restarted as a POM. He quickly grew back to his old score, and then some. I gotta say he took to it like a fish in water and impresed me immensley with his "surfing" skills lol
Another week or so passed us by, and alot of our members were doing great a few of us in the top 100 with i think royalty being alot bigger than the rest. We soon got a little nonchalant about the whole situation , and probably got to many acres to what we could hold onto.
The waves soon appeared from what we could work out to be Ataxia (along with a fair few solo'ers). We tried our best doing as much damage as we could, gettin people online who we could, and defending those offline. Unfortunately it wasnt enough in the end, and they kept coming back over and over again ...we lost 60k acres in about 24-48 hours.
Alot of members logged on the following morning to see themselves zeroed, no men, not many acres, but ah well it was fun in certain respects.
Last few weeks of the round- after our second major bashing we decided not to get "as" fat as last time, but still continued to steal as many acres as we could get our grubby little mits on. Recycle and Stevey having a contest for the alli land stealer stat. Both players doing awesome and soon had acres coming out of their ears.Unfortunately we lost poopsmiths activity due to him going to college/university, but up untill that point his Poms had saved us so many times (and he still finsihed most active player in the alli)- so cheers poops
Other than that we continued our own lil alli attacks againts different alliances including Fawlty_towers, rage, EH, Waiting_On_Flip etc. And we had our fun in our own way. Recycle managed to somehow jump into the top 30, and held it for a while until the big dogs saw him, and then he was hit for about 10k acres in one session, but managed to save his troops
We still attracted attention and always did our best to defend etc. There was a coupld of days where what looked like a solo group hit and zeroed a number of us, which was a shame, ah well que sera sera.
Some Memorable Moments of the Roound:
-Lukey's dissapearing act that got us all a little worried...tut0tut
-Recycle's jeeps - oh the poor poeple he hit them with
-Asda suiciding his whole army as he forgot to recall an attack (always a classic)
-Middy's jokes threads - brought an awful lot of laughter to many a face im sure.
-Stevey and recycles competition for the alli landstealer
Ive gotta say this round although weve had numerous ups and downs, it has been one of the most enjoyable for me. We have had a number of people pass through the alliance, but also a high percentage of the final 20 players who ended with us also started wiht us on the first tick, id like to say thanks to everyone who has been with us, attacked us, or been attacked by us .
Heres to more fun rounds ahead
PS. If any member of Nonchalant would like to add antyhing then please pm me and ill slip it in somewhere (in a none sexual sense)
Fubu
Subject description: What really goes on behind blue eyes
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This round was an interesting one for me, had its ups and downs, highs and lows, the usual kind of stuff but more extreme .
In The Beginning
We started the round full of hope for great performance with LDA being involved and with her a fair number of players who had a wealth of experience and activity. We did ok for the first weekend, managed to hover around the top 5 for much of the time. We had a few serious hits from the top 3, lost a bit of land and troops, took part in some resistances with Martin in these early days but quickly stopped them after being piggied with geo's by Dixy twice in a row. As the days wore on my brother came to stay with me and so I couldn't be online as much as I wanted to be, which led to massive inactivity on my part and LDA having to do alot of leading which was entirely unfair but I am very grateful that she did. However she couldn't keep this up, I've spoken to her about it and I've no hard feelings about the whole thing, i understand completely why she left.
Exodus
Anyway with LDA leaving she obviously took the people she had recruited with her, which dropped us out of the top 10 for a brief spell and out of competition for the top (altho as we had lost members due to people leaving we were still getting inc from the top 3 allys, which was a pain in the ass). I quickly recruited as many people as I could, a big saving grace being Luthai who had recently had to disband his ally meaning he had a few players who could join with him. After a long period of wallowing around the lower half of the top 10 we finally managed to fill up and through random and lone attacks we managed to get our land back up and worked our way back towards the top 5.
Enter The Resistance
Now is about the time that Martin organised the big resistance on Meh that was so widely complained about. We were asked to hit so we did, it got us some good land and moved us up a rank, which was all fine. Then Martin came to me again asking the same but on Rave, claiming they were over double their land/value (kudos to Martin for foolin me with the stats on that one) but whether we were tricked or not doesnt matter, we sent whatever the reason was. As LO has an abundance of bikers at that point we were given siers as a target (at the time their biggest player, being rank 1). We were fortunate in that siers' net apparantly died as we were attacking giving us 2 rare ticks when he wasnt online but we managed to deal some significant damage and eventually Rave went the way of Meh and fell down.
It should be noted that in both cases I ordered organised bashes to be stopped on Rave and Meh after they were no longer a threat, we didn't need to carry on bashing them down so we didnt
Onwards To Victory
So as it now stood Dixy were rank 1, Ataxia were 2 and we were 3. Ataxia and Dixy were switching places occasionally, they were very close to each other in value, but then Dixy started to take out Ataxia, meaning we had to leap into action and halfway through the 2nd wave LO organised a hit on Dixy with a few solos (there were meant to be more allys but they couldnt get troops together in time). We carried on hitting Dixy through the night with CD helping on a wave or 2, but the majority of damage being done/taken by LO with Ataxia close behind. After my only night of staying up all night Dixy finally collapsed and we had taken rank 1, but again I stopped the waves once they were no longer a threat, possibly not a great decision as Rave took it upon themselves to descend like vultures on Dixy's acres stealing around 150k of it in 1 day (my numbers could be wrong, don't have my logs here to check the number pane gave me).
Hold It Together Men!
Around the time of taking down dixy we gained beast as a member who was rank 2 or 3 at the time, finally after asking him to join for weeks and weeks he agreed and we gained a very valuable member. After Dixy had been killed we knew it would be our turn next if a resistance was formed so we tried a different tactic from the previous rank 1 allys (do nothing then die or in dixys case try and take rank 2 out and then die) and we made a ceasefire with Axis. I had planned to kill them after the threat of a resistance had gone but unfortunately the resistance came for Axis first meaning we couldn't take them out alone as we had hoped to do.
That aside Cyrus, who I had recruited right after losing members to Bed, was getting in several arguments with members, eventually causing beast to leave and others to threaten to leave if I didnt kick him. I was forced to kick him for the good of the ally, I hope he understands that, I didn't have a problem with him but what choice did I have. After these 2 had left we dropped to 6th on ally points. I later learned that we were over double the value of rank 2 before they left with almost double the land, in essence we had it won until they left.
Enter The Resistance Part 2
So seeing that we had dropped and word quickly spreading as to why a resistance was quickly formed in which we lost around 75k acres, dropping us to half of what we had had before beast and Cyrus had their argument. At this point I thought it was over for us but then the incomings just stopped and we lived on. Over the next couple of weeks there were resistance hits every so often, twice a week usually, a couple were successful resulting in big land losses but as in the first case just when I thought we couldn't survive any longer and it was the end, the incoming just stopped and we could rebuild. This period was also dotted with incoming from hobo and f0xx pretty much every day, which gets really annoying i can tell you, damn stealth, damn it to hell!
After a while the resistances just stopped coming, not sure why, but that left us free reign to take out the would be resistors. Can't remember the order which we took out these allys but first off ill talk about Rave again, they were massively land fat after raping Dixy down to size so they seemed like the best target. The first night we attacked with just LO and CD and we got wtfpwned, so we stopped for the night. As it hadnt worked the first night and Rave were now rank 1 we went back with another ally and some solo helpers and this time Rave went down, after 2 waves they stopped defending and started hitting sleep mode, and the land raping commenced. We ran out of targets that werent in sleep mode and had land before I felt the need to call a stop to the bashes so we just sat on top doing not a whole lot for a day or so.
I can remember less about Meh dying again, not even sure we did much to help it but anyway they got killed again as they got into the top 5, they were coming up strong and were a clear threat with the players and activity they had
The interesting one was Bed. They were an absolute beggar to steal from with them having like 6 PoM players. We tried for a week, did some serious damage, kept them awake for a long time, but didn't manage to take that much land. I called a halt to hits on them over the weekend of the meet as it wasn't fair, but when that was thrown back in my face a few days later I called open season on them again, but we still found ourselves unable to steal any major bits of land, PoM's are SO annoying
And then there was much rejoicing
After the meet the round pretty much wrapped up for us, it didn't have to, we could easily have been taken, but no1 tried so we survived (or at least I assume thats what happened, I've been v v v v inactive the past 2 weeks with moving into a new flat and staying with friends etc). And now I'm sitting here writing this looking back on what I can be proud to call the round LO won.
As the ticks stopped the ally was (in no particular order):
Treedude - Leader
Luthai - MO
Avvy - CO
Axel
Angie
antrax
Exko
Hero
THawk
DR4545
hippie
oondasre
Dez
atsanjose
Mirey
Pirate
Bored^
IllWill
vannila
DriveFast
To all of those players they have my utmost respect and gratitude for the time and effort they put into making this a winning round. All the crap we had to endure was worth it for proving LO has got what it takes to win a round.
And finally...
Contrary to what people have been posting on these forums we haven't gone back on our principles, we haven't broken any of the laws of LO, we had fun, the only time we didn't was when people *****ed at us and accused us of tarnishing our name when we hadn't actually done anything wrong. We played to our strengths and we only used bashing when it was needed, when we were taking down a rank 1 and when we needed a quick kill, altho to be fair with Bed that didn't really work coz of the PoM's but that was the reasoning anyway (I've always recognised it's needed in some cases, whenever I have spoken against it is has been because it's been used when it isn't needed).
I'm the only player left in this game who has been in Leftovers every single round it has been in existance, I know who we are, where we came from and what we stand for, and those of you that know me should know that Leftovers is THE most important thing to me in this game and I would never do anything I believe to be against what we stand for, and thats why I can look back on this round without 1 bit of regret, I'm proud of what we achieved and nothing that anyone can say will take that away from me, and I hope my members feel the same.
And so to summarise, it was a great round, and I am pleased to say, without any sense of hesitation or irony..
LO FTW
Mullets too!
Comments
EDIT: My memory is shockingly bad so if anyone from LO has things to add to that story then feel free to post it on this thread (LO members only mind )
Bed (Thu 12 Oct 06 11:12 am by LadyDarkAngel )
Subject description: Goings on in between the sheets
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Bed story, as far as I can remember
Bed was formed on August 14th (a few weeks into the round) by myself and some members who had originally followed me into LO (namely orpheus, deathAngel, rosana, bill89, steve_god, corco, marksy, atomslaya). The recruiting started immediately (through the forums and in-game) with a lot of swaps & changes mainly due to inactivity and a few shipjumpers here and there.
Bed was pretty weak at this stage and trying to "find it's feet" when I was forwarded an alliance mail in which Dixy was inciting other alliances into killing Bed because apparently we'd refused to join in resistance attacks on Ravenous. Needless to say this came as a bit of a surprise, as I'd not been contacted nor spoken to anybody in Dixy about any attacks at that point! It later transpired that Martin had spoken to one of my members about attacks and was told Bed might not join in, which Martin took as a flat refusal from Bed (incidentally Martin and I weren't on speaking terms leading up to this because of Dixy piggying LO resistance attacks on Ravenous with geo, earlier in the round)! I made my stance on attacks on Ravenous clear to Martin... Bed didn't have the activity nor LET and our involvement would make no difference to the outcome of the war -- this was also based on my own knowledge - which I didn't divulge - on Ravenous' activity, or lack of
Ravenous died again, which is when Martin contacted me to say the resistance (some 4/5 alliances) were attacking Meh. Bed's activity was still atrocious and again, I felt an additional alliance wasn't needed in these attacks. This was going to be the second resistance attack in which Bed was going to lose out on land, so temptation was great, but the sheer scale of attackers on Meh disgusted me into making the decision that Bed wouldn't join in.
Shortly before this time I had been contacted by an old friend who was in Axis, asking me if Bed would ceasefire with them for the remainder of the round, which I refused. A few days later, I was informed that LO (rank 1 alliance) and Axis (rank 2 alliance) had agreed a ceasefire. I outed this information pretty much straight away in the forums, to flat out denials from LO members which carried on even after Treedude publicly admitted to the ceasefire. I guess I angered LO a tad as we started receiving incoming from LO, their pnaps, Axis and Badforu and his multies. At this stage the resistance decided to kill Axis so as to remove one of LO's main supporters on attacks (the other major support being Badforu whom was eventually locked... even if a little too late as his involvement most definately aided LO). Axis went down and LO were again alone at the top.
At this point, I was again finding myself kicking members through inactivity when Lordie messaged me on msn asking me what Bed's situation was like. After I explained that I'd just kicked a couple of members and another couple had just told me they were going inactive because of RL issues, he asked whether I'd consider taking in a few remaining Meh members as Meh was disbanding. The members he proposed were himself, angela, jack, freddy, lisette and dick (all others had or were quitting). So that is how Meh members came to Bed About a week later, after a great deal of convincing work, howly agreed to join me and later on ladyhawke also got into Bed, after Dixy disbanded. Khris followed after I kicked yet another member for inactivity (yes yes... the kick button is worn out)!!
Our activity started to improve dramatically and the general morale in Bed was good We joined a few sporadic resistance attacks on LO, gained some land, reached rank 1 in effectiveness and rank 2 in valuation. LO still wanted us dead though, so started a series of "aided" attacks on Bed... on the first night's attacks they were aided by Ataxia and Badforu. I believe we let Ataxia through and defended against the rest. The following night was interesting, to say the least. CD and Bed had an agreement that neither alliance would aid LO on attacks on eachother as LO had been rank 1 for a long while and didn't need any help from other alliances (this is not to say Bed and CD weren't attacking eachother without LO). So to say I was shocked to see CD members waving us with LO and Badforu on the second night of waves on us is an understatement (I know Bob well enough to know he'd never go back on his word). It later transpired that Crumpet saw fit to forge some mails she'd exchanged with one of my members (jack), to read that Bed wanted CD dead, and post them in CD's politics, to use as an excuse to attack Bed with LO (no need to speculate as to the reasons why, as Crumpet is Luthai's pnap so her intentions and allegiances were pretty clear). The addition of CD incoming to the LO/Badforu waves did us some damage, but we continued defending like fiends. Crumpet was later confronted by her leadership about the mails, to which she admitted having forged them and proceeded by trying to back up a lie with another lie, by saying jack threatened with what she's written about, on irc Anyone who knows jack, knows he doesn't use irc So the lies from Crumpet kept coming, thick and fast, in a desperate attempt to justify her original behaviour, but digging herself into a much deeper hole with each one!
CD reinstated the "no waves with LO" status quo and as Ataxia were now in resistance discussions with Bed, LO found themselves alone, again. They carried on attacking us with Badforu and his multiple accounts until Treedude ordered LO to stop waves on Bed (which I was very grateful for... after 1 week of solid incomings I was averaging 2 hours sleep per night and Angela even less, and were both starting to feel pretty sick). I don't think everyone in LO was happy with Treedude's orders though... and this is when I started to realise this wasn't about LO wanting the land they'd not managed to steal from us, but it was purely about killing us. As Luthai proceeded to mail Ataxia and other solos to keep up the attacks on us even though LO couldn't Other than Badforu, everyone else refused. Badforu kept us up a few nights, but we held our land well, started doing him some damage and eventually the inevitable happened, when his accounts were locked! YAY we got to sleep again!!
All went reasonably quiet on the incomings front from then. There were talks of resistance attacks on LO with Ataxia, CD and Ravenous but not much came of it. Through inactivity, tiredness and sheer disorganisation
During the last week of the round, we had a bit of a war with CD. Through us BH'ing some of their members and them retaliating and us retaliating and…. It went back & forth for a couple of days. LO came back for a few last minute attacks, but nothing too painful.
I end this round, with Bed having achieved what I personally value the most in terms of rankings (and voted for at the start of the round in a forum poll or rather, in case anyone should say that I value this only now Bed achieved it). Rank 1 in effectiveness ~ if we manage to keep it that way before round end
Personally speaking, this has been an interesting round for me. Not exactly the quiet one I was hoping for, but one round I will never forget, as I finally had the opportunity to play alongside some great people whom I’d not played with before!! Thank you to every single one of you for making this round one I won’t forget and for putting up with my temper tantrums!! Alas they’re part & parcel of that Italian fire you’ve all experienced! Now you can feel sorry for Welshie and the dutch, knowing what they have to put up with every round
Bed's final line-up (in no particular order):
Myself
Angela -- now get some sleep!!!
Corco -- SAS’ best POM friend!
Drak -- tireless defender, it’s been an honour
bill89 -- you’ll be missed next round!!
Howly -- MINE!!
Jack -- didn’t know whether to hug you or kill you half the time
davec -- thank you for not minding my texts in the middle of the night
saint1d -- booze & ipod = great entertainment
Princ -- don’t think I’ve ever shouted at anyone so much before
freddy -- Angela’s biatch!!
Lordie -- great MO and a great guy
dick -- daddy-o!!! It’s been a pleasure to finally meet you!!
Khris -- RAWR
Ladyhawke -- the queen of texts… thank you for saving our butts so many nights!!
Atomslaya – defending humvee rushes with SD!! Truly defends at all costs
Podunk -- aka fishy
Lisette -- the tarzan lady!!
wumpy -- put down that burger!!
Whitehawk -- think he’s at the pub again!!
Special mention to my pnaps: siers (always there for me) and welshie (most inactive pnap ever!!!)
P.S.
The reasons for my leaving LO are not relevant to this story, but to clarify for those who have made accusation as to me leaving because of incs, this couldn't be further from the truth. I'd joined LO for a quiet round, and found myself pretty much leading the alliance (due to Treedude being very inactive), yet without any real power to gain activity from original LO members (messages reading... Treedude doesn't mind... He's not even here... It's the LO way... etc. etc. spring to mind) nor the ability to kick inactives, made my time in LO extremely frustrating. By August 11th things weren't any better (me being the first point of call if LO got any incs, and Rob still struggling to log on for them) and as I had a family wedding to attend to that weekend and wouldn't be contactable, I decided to go solo and think things through for a couple of days. Which is what I did, and, as friends who'd joined LO with me were suggesting I lead an alliance again, "my way", I decided to go for it and Bed was born!
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