Re: NetGamers connection issues 23rd Oct 2008
Markb we all know that you are NG operator, but why so hostile? Would you lose your job or some money if bushtarion would be removed out of NG irc? I doubt that.
So please next time you want to be hostile towards me at least do it in some thread where it isnt as obvious as it was in this thread. I will ofc answer to you, but well I doubt it really matters what I say when your attitude is the kind we can see in your post.
markb said:
Azzer can ask for global notices / news entries on the website, but he has decided not to, until the time is right (ie Age 5).
Perhaps one of the admins in the NG partners team could have regular contact with Azzer to find out if he wants anything doing might help, but currently all the partner games have to do is ask for globals/news entries.
Yeah so Azzer can go to beg for people who might be there or might not be there to send network wide messages, in comparison to owning server and doing what ever he wants to do.
Also extending IRC / ingame bans to IRC etc. is impossible in NG network while he could do it in his own.
markb said:
Things happen on the internet. Routers do go down occasionally, servers do go down occasionally as well. All networks will have the same problems with stability on the internet.
Yes things do happen, but when they happen 10 times a week or three times a day it is bit too much, Bushtarion is running on pretty stable basis and I am sure bushtarions IRC server(s) would be running with same stability and beating NG 100-0
markb said:
Oh, what a shame. If you aren't on IRC for more than 30 days, then you aren't using your nick, why keep it in the database? (specially if you aren't going to use it again) this keeps the number of available nicks for registration high. If you do intend on going on holiday for more than 30 days, then all you need to do is ask in #cservice for an extension and a member of the CService team will put a do not delete before 90 days idle comment on your nick. Not hard.
What a shame? I registered my nickname to netgamers like 2000 or something, I have used that server since R4 of PA, I have been there for what 8 years!! That is 96 months!! And I was away 1 month and that is how oldies like me are respected by the system, while in Bushtarion oldies like me ARE respected by Azzer by allowing us to take round or two off and come back.
I really think you are pretty far from having an argue for one way or to another with your "go to beg cservice to extend your idle time"
markb said:
X = 2. Not many. Its not hard to register a channel.
1)Register your nick on the NG website.
2)Register channel on website.
3)Ask your 2 supporters to either do the support command on IRC, or support on the website.
4)Wait upto 24 hours for a CService admin to approve / decline channel.
5)Make P join the channel.
5 easy steps. If you need hand holding with some of the steps, just ask someone in #cservice.
Yerah so instead of,(theoretically) I make bushtarion alliance and automaticalle have passworded channel where people in my alliance can join throught 3rd party software or from Azzers ingame IRC, I must find 2 people to vote for my site who are actually online.
Then I must get 4-5 people to stay on that channel for next 24-48 hours untill some guy comes in to check if theres someone in there (I have lost channel registration due night time inactivity over 10 times!!).
Then I spend next 2 hours adding people to that channel and making it restricted to this and that and allowed by this and that. After this all I have 1!! channel ready for alliance. Not 2, not 4 but only 1. Then for what ever I want to do I need to go throught mile long list of help files on some website as P doesnt give instructions.
After this all one of those vouchers decides to jump alliance... I must go to find some guy who might be there or not when I am online to beg him to remove that guys access to that channel, as I dont have right to do so. No matter if it is my alliances channel or that I own that channel...
Very very working system... not!
markb said:
Don't you think Azzer has more important things to do? Like get the game back in shape first.
No I actually dont think. I think IRC is major part of this game and by small things like this what I am suggesting and with the small amount of time invested in to it, it really could bring this game closer to community game again and at the end of the day make it much more interesting and user friendly towards people playing it... ending up to possible increase of player amount.
markb said:
How many of them know C/C++ and know how IRC actually works? mIRCscript and PHP aren't used.
What where? Whatta hell is this C/C++ thing?
Worlds largest used IRC bot is eggdrop which is not made on C/C++ (which can be updated with direct PHP access) , there are plenty of PHP bots around (I know as I have one on my comp), which can bedirectly connected to MySQL databases.
So where does this C/C++ thing come from as I have not once needed C to code bot to IRC no matter of what kind of things it must have done.
When whole bush is made in PHP, I dont see why PHP couldnt be used to run BOT that could have its own access to ingame data. Being on same server as bushtarion and working with same databases. Having restricted read only access would ensure that it couldnt be abused. Yet it could access information like alliances lists, player lists, rankings etc. You name it.
In case you dont know even if server software is made in C it doesnt mean that bots couldnt be made with some other language. Bots connects to server by 2 ways, 1 way is connecting normally just like normal person connects to server. Another way is to connect to passworded bot port which then gives that bot same kind of "root" access to channel levels, access etc of the server. Making that bot to work like P which can even k-line if it wants to. Bots are operating ABOVE servers code, they operate on same system as every person who connects the server is. They dont need to be ran on any spesific coding language, because they operate on IRC platform and they do things with same IRC commands we all others do, even server ADMIN has hes own commands what to use and operate with on server. What coding language is behind that server has nothing to do with it.
So please I beg you, if that is how much of IRC and coding you know, dont come to attack me with such info that has no truth behind it.
PS. What do you think is my reason to "suggest" something like this? Because I hate NG or because I think Bushtarion could actually gain from having its own server or simply because I want more power?
I really want to hear what you think is my reason. I can see that you would lose your power of being server mod and having no reason to be in NG server anymore. It is so sad to see people fighting against change only in fear of losing their power.... very sad.
