Honor From Defending

[Walking_Death]

I recently had an epic BR. It was an honorable defense against amazing odds. We managed to win out. Then this happened


Stunned: 5,499,835 [£285,265,947,000] enemies stunned. 9,630,360 [£445,596,374,600] friendlies stunned.
Distracted: 206,428,451 [£1,067,996,383,000] enemies distracted. 537,546,684 [£4,869,577,003,300] friendlies distracted.
Died: 673,154,301 [£4,312,397,003,600] enemies dead. 80,836,477 [£3,013,928,322,200] friendlies dead.

You gained 184,807 effectiveness.
You gained 0.84 fame.
You gained 1.17 honour.

Less retarded honor gain please? How can anyone with a red title get out it with that kind of bullshit honor gain for gallantly defending your ally?

 

[alwaysnumb]

this is an attack I made recently
Died: 2,937 [£186,562,000] friendlies dead. 4,401,247 [£19,082,250,600] enemies dead.

You gained 26,745 effectiveness.
You gained 50.71 fame.
You gained 30.25 honour.

The h/f system is somewhat crappy when I gain all that for bugger all and that defense gives nothing.

 

[Alcibiades]

Indeed. On the other side of the fence from the OP this was posted in our Pols.

Died: 438 [£24,090,000] friendlies dead. 4,600 [£167,900,000] enemies dead.
Converted: 968 [£15,488,000] enemies converted.

You gained 262 effectiveness.
You gained 18.18 fame.
You gained 30.49 honour.
You earned £112,493,000 bounty.
You will soon be receiving £4,818,000 insurance.

Seems a little askew, no?

 

[Jimbo2189]

Yep same for me buddy:

Stunned: 5,499,835 [£285,265,947,000] enemies stunned. 9,630,360 [£445,596,374,600] friendlies stunned.
Distracted: 206,428,451 [£1,067,996,383,000] enemies distracted. 537,546,684 [£4,869,577,003,300] friendlies distracted.
Died: 673,154,301 [£4,312,397,003,600] enemies dead. 80,836,477 [£3,013,928,322,200] friendlies dead.

You gained 524,927 effectiveness.
You gained 4.13 fame.
You gained 5.75 honour.
You will soon be receiving £58,578,453,000 insurance.


5.75 Honour WTF

And its not like my troops didnt fire:

[range] 17,419,490 allied Secret Agent attacked, killing 89,107,761 hostile staff.

where at least half of those are mine!


At mid and close tick another 100mill poms came so even less of my SA fired so understandably :

You gained 1.15 honour. And then nothing for the close tick.

 

[atsanjose]

Yep same for me buddy:

Stunned: 5,499,835 [£285,265,947,000] enemies stunned. 9,630,360 [£445,596,374,600] friendlies stunned.
Distracted: 206,428,451 [£1,067,996,383,000] enemies distracted. 537,546,684 [£4,869,577,003,300] friendlies distracted.
Died: 673,154,301 [£4,312,397,003,600] enemies dead. 80,836,477 [£3,013,928,322,200] friendlies dead.

You gained 524,927 effectiveness.
You gained 4.13 fame.
You gained 5.75 honour.
You will soon be receiving £58,578,453,000 insurance.


5.75 Honour WTF

And its not like my troops didnt fire:

[range] 17,419,490 allied Secret Agent attacked, killing 89,107,761 hostile staff.

where at least half of those are mine!


At mid and close tick another 100mill poms came so even less of my SA fired so understandably :

You gained 1.15 honour. And then nothing for the close tick.

A) you killed mainly gards or non lets
B) your part in the battle was very limited, mostly letflak
C) the people defending outnumbered the people attacking in score
D) most of your stuff got distracted

choose either of these or a nice combo.
i cant tell with just having the results at my disposal.

 

[Jimbo2189]

Battle Report - Defending xxx [0000]
[range] 10,000,000 allied Psychopathic Android attacked, killing 2,670,831 hostile staff.
[range] 19,649,806 allied Political Mastermind attacked, distracting 201,276,086 hostile staff.
[range] 107,511,195 hostile Political Mastermind attacked, distracting 521,534,851 allied staff.
[range] 5,767,779 allied Striker attacked, killing 799,319 hostile staff.
[range] 6,357,223 hostile Striker attacked, killing 2,063,332 allied staff.
[range] 11,278,203 allied Biker attacked, killing 5,556,593 hostile staff.
[range] 2,223,775 allied Terrorist attacked, killing 14,750,479 hostile staff.
[range] 17,419,490 allied Secret Agent attacked, killing 89,107,761 hostile staff.
[range] 22,193,485 hostile Secret Agent attacked, killing 17,467,297 allied staff.
[range] 8,438,643 allied Siren sang out, freezing in place 5,499,835 hostile staff.
[range] 15,561,847 hostile Siren sang out, freezing in place 9,630,360 allied staff.
[range] 2,996,456 allied Assassin attacked, killing 3,287,180 hostile staff.
[range] 6,996,038 hostile Assassin attacked, killing 4,131,278 allied staff.
[range] 3,617,354 allied Harrier attacked, killing 7,925,882 hostile staff.
[range] 13,108,079 allied Terrorist Leader attacked, killing 46,068,532 hostile staff.
[range] 4,940,247 allied Hippy Van attacked, distracting 5,152,365 hostile staff.
[range] 34,277,993 hostile Hippy Van attacked, distracting 16,011,833 allied staff.
[range] 6,549,571 allied Iron Golem attacked, killing 25,298,898 hostile staff.
[range] 10,631,470 hostile Iron Golem attacked, killing 7,317,376 allied staff.
[range] 13,203,458 allied Sorcerer attacked, killing 54,412,796 hostile staff.
[range] 3,395,243 hostile Sorcerer attacked, killing 3,503,940 allied staff.
[range] 6,825,267 allied Cybernetic Warrior attacked, killing 52,187,819 hostile staff.
[range] 9,853,109 allied Dragon breathed fire on and melted 100,749,980 hostile staff.
[range] 6,929,729 hostile Dragon breathed fire on and melted 19,188,512 allied staff.
[range] 552,921 allied Ninja attacked, killing 1,549,613 hostile staff.
[range] 764,997 allied Petrol Bomber lobbed Molotov Cocktails and killed 3,697,922 hostile staff.
[range] 1,738,690 allied Apache Longbow attacked, killing 22,889,484 hostile staff.
[range] 2,176,719 hostile Apache Longbow attacked, killing 3,593,914 allied staff.
[range] 1,367,562 allied Marine attacked, killing 2,324,246 hostile staff.
[range] 30,838,218 hostile Marine attacked, killing 23,570,828 allied staff.
[range] 2,251,900 allied Jeep attacked, killing 1,683,119 hostile staff.
[range] 8,328,780 allied Tyrant Drone attacked, killing 238,032,489 hostile staff.
[range] 282,024 allied Paratrooper attacked, killing 161,358 hostile staff.

Stunned: 5,499,835 [£285,265,947,000] enemies stunned. 9,630,360 [£445,596,374,600] friendlies stunned.
Distracted: 206,428,451 [£1,067,996,383,000] enemies distracted. 537,546,684 [£4,869,577,003,300] friendlies distracted.
Died: 673,154,301 [£4,312,397,003,600] enemies dead. 80,836,477 [£3,013,928,322,200] friendlies dead.

You gained 524,927 effectiveness.
You gained 4.13 fame.
You gained 5.75 honour.



Well there is the whole BR, granted I killed alot of flak. But the score of those 4/5 attacking us was larger than the score of the whole alliance!!! In this tick not all of my stuff got distracted - as you can see from the amount of SA that fire (after the Poms) - so i lost quite a few.

I understand that at middle and close with the pom boost virtually all my SA & Sins were distracted so i didnt get much honour but in this range tick - furious!m

 

[Dax]

Battle Report
[range] 94,000,000 allied RPG Trooper attacked, killing 37,914,626 hostile staff.
[range] 23,000,000 allied Psychopathic Android attacked, killing 3,687,984 hostile staff.
[range] 367,553 hostile Striker attacked, killing 103,424 allied staff.
[range] 44,994,218 allied Vampire attacked, killing 227,251,615 hostile staff.
[raised] 12,662,721 corpses twitched into life, becoming Lesser Vampire.
[range] 16,982,194 allied Cybernetic Warrior attacked, killing 19,556,537 hostile staff.
[range] 558,492 hostile Apache Longbow attacked, killing 758,074 allied staff.
[range] 13,069,559 hostile Marine attacked, killing 5,238,399 allied staff.
[range] 6,194,018 allied Shock Trooper attacked, killing 1,918,842 hostile staff.
[range] 979,984 allied Humvee attacked, killing 63,427 hostile staff.
[range] 14,688,659 allied Tyrant Drone attacked, killing 11,272,318 hostile staff.

Died: 301,665,349 [£3,549,309,154,800] enemies dead. 6,099,897 [£340,344,226,200] friendlies dead.
Converted: 12,662,721 [£202,603,536,000] enemies converted.

You gained 2,187,419 effectiveness.
You gained 21.59 fame.
You gained 14.82 honour.
You will soon be receiving £14,913,744,000 insurance.

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Well. What about that? Perfectly reasonable reward, there.

 

[Souls]

The sheer amount of defenders.

 

[Dax]

The sheer amount of defenders.

I thought my honour reward there was pretty good. Though saying that, I did kill and convert a FAIR bit there.

 

[Souls]

Yes. I'm saying honour gains plummet in huge BRs if there are a large amount of defenders to attackers, and your troops aren't a significant amount

 

[Toast]

[range] 3,424,072 allied Psychopathic Android attacked, killing 1,337 hostile staff.

Died: 1,337 [£46,795,000] enemies dead.

You gained 66 effectiveness.
You gained 16.51 fame.
You gained 8.69 honour.

I barely did anything and got decent gains

 

[Walking_Death]

I think it's based on the score of the attacker(s) vs. the score of the defender(s), but only as a whole and not based on the mobs, then it's factored in what class you killed. I think if you take heavy losses DEFENDING your ally while inflicting even a bit of damage on them should be considered honorable, as you obviously had to fight to defend your ally

 

[alwaysnumb]

for defends it should give honour based on how much you lose vrs your score and ignore everything else.

 

[Davs]

for defends it should give honour based on how much you lose vrs your score and ignore everything else.

it shouldn't ignore how much damage you do, otherwise everyone hoping to whore h/f would just suicide all the time...

 

[alwaysnumb]

for defends it should give honour based on how much you lose vrs your score and ignore everything else.

it shouldn't ignore how much damage you do, otherwise everyone hoping to whore h/f would just suicide all the time...

its alot easier to gain h/f from attacking than defending. what is says in manual is kinda stupid really, defending against all odds and winning dont go together defending against all odds and dieing is much more the case.

 

[Walking_Death]

for defends it should give honour based on how much you lose vrs your score and ignore everything else.

it shouldn't ignore how much damage you do, otherwise everyone hoping to whore h/f would just suicide all the time...

its alot easier to gain h/f from attacking than defending. what is says in manual is kinda stupid really, defending against all odds and winning dont go together defending against all odds and dieing is much more the case.

indeed, you get honor for 0ing people 70% of yourself, but little for gallantly standing up to a 5 man attack with your allies, even though the attacking force should win, and even as an individual you deal a ton of damage. If it's possible to lose 100 honor on an attack, it shouldn't be impossible to gain 50 on a defense.