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Hi all,

Me again asking for advice on stuff computery... I have just ordered my new PC which will be super mega able to deal with what I can currently throw at it. I want to use it more as a gaming platform, and as a result I need some new games.
It's taking me a long time to realise it, but the only games I enjoy are strategy ones. I get so bored playing everything else that it's pointless. I'm tempted to sell my X-Box and just get a load of strategy games for my PC.

They don't need to be "new" games, just good ones! I LOVE Age of Empires/Age of Mythology so something like that. I did have C&C once, but after lending it to a friend I never got it back. I think I enjoyed it, but there are several versions of them?
I also have Civ 5, it didn't run very well on my old PC due to lack of power, but I wasn't a fan of a turn based game... open to suggestion though.

Oh and Football Manager is a standard, I buy it every year so no need to comment. I'm thinking war/battle strategies.


Thanks in advance :)
 

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Highly recommend the Anno series. I haven't played the new one (Anno 2070), but the previous one, Anno 1404, was awesome. Vaguely like age of empires, given the time period it's set in, that it's real time, and you gather resources, create buildings, and then units, but the emphasis is *massively* on the economics, trade and resources side. The military aspect is very much secondary; you can win games without even touching it.

My other major recommendation is Supreme Commander (1 and the expansion Forged Alliance). The absolute best real time strategy war game ever created, just perfect. SupCom2 isn't anywhere near as good as 1/FA.

Total War series always a safe bet, particularly Medieval II and Empire, and as far as C&C goes, I enjoyed the Red Alerts far more than the other 2 series.

If you don't mind torrenting, the Battle for Middle Earth games (1 and 2) are real gems, massively underrated (especially if you like the LoTR genre), but you can't buy them any more, so have to use more devious means.

Myself, DA and Lanky still hang out in the old Age of Empires channel (#aoc), and occasionally MattM and Hiuey drop in as well, so if you fancy a game it's possible.
 

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Highly recommend the Anno series. I haven't played the new one (Anno 2070), but the previous one, Anno 1404, was awesome. Vaguely like age of empires, given the time period it's set in, that it's real time, and you gather resources, create buildings, and then units, but the emphasis is *massively* on the economics, trade and resources side. The military aspect is very much secondary; you can win games without even touching it.

My other major recommendation is Supreme Commander (1 and the expansion Forged Alliance). The absolute best real time strategy war game ever created, just perfect. SupCom2 isn't anywhere near as good as 1/FA.

Total War series always a safe bet, particularly Medieval II and Empire, and as far as C&C goes, I enjoyed the Red Alerts far more than the other 2 series.

Myself, DA and Lanky still hang out in the old Age of Empires channel (#aoc), and occasionally MattM and Hiuey drop in as well, so if you fancy a game it's possible.

I'll take a look at them.
Re #AoC, I'll pop by, see if any of you are good enough to beat me yet, I think when that was set up a few years ago I remained unbeaten? BW was pretty good though, he may have beaten me once :p
 

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I only played with Alevo and he utterly destroyed me (AOC)
 

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Starcraft 2 is a nice RTS game (if you're into futuristic themes), used to play it a lot...
And yeah like CF said, Battle for Middle Earth is also very nice!
 

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Highly recommend the Anno series. I haven't played the new one (Anno 2070), but the previous one, Anno 1404, was awesome. Vaguely like age of empires, given the time period it's set in, that it's real time, and you gather resources, create buildings, and then units, but the emphasis is *massively* on the economics, trade and resources side. The military aspect is very much secondary; you can win games without even touching it.

My other major recommendation is Supreme Commander (1 and the expansion Forged Alliance). The absolute best real time strategy war game ever created, just perfect. SupCom2 isn't anywhere near as good as 1/FA.

Total War series always a safe bet, particularly Medieval II and Empire, and as far as C&C goes, I enjoyed the Red Alerts far more than the other 2 series.

Myself, DA and Lanky still hang out in the old Age of Empires channel (#aoc), and occasionally MattM and Hiuey drop in as well, so if you fancy a game it's possible.

I'll take a look at them.
Re #AoC, I'll pop by, see if any of you are good enough to beat me yet, I think when that was set up a few years ago I remained unbeaten? BW was pretty good though, he may have beaten me once :p

I'm utterly *****. Don't have time to play nowadays and aoe requires too much concentration/brain power :p

BW is a beast at the game though, he sent me some scripts to help me play better but I haven't seen him in the chan for ages since his last rage.
 

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stronghold legends was really fun if you want to add castle building to your strategies. i think they even recently came out with stronghold 3.

men at arms.. to the walls!

and blood bowl (legendary edition) is good for a laugh.
 

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As a big fan of Age of Myth, I'd also recommend the Battle for Middle Earth games, they are terrific fun :) You'll love them!
 

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Highly recommend the Anno series. I haven't played the new one (Anno 2070), but the previous one, Anno 1404, was awesome. Vaguely like age of empires, given the time period it's set in, that it's real time, and you gather resources, create buildings, and then units, but the emphasis is *massively* on the economics, trade and resources side. The military aspect is very much secondary; you can win games without even touching it.

My other major recommendation is Supreme Commander (1 and the expansion Forged Alliance). The absolute best real time strategy war game ever created, just perfect. SupCom2 isn't anywhere near as good as 1/FA.

Total War series always a safe bet, particularly Medieval II and Empire, and as far as C&C goes, I enjoyed the Red Alerts far more than the other 2 series.

If you don't mind torrenting, the Battle for Middle Earth games (1 and 2) are real gems, massively underrated (especially if you like the LoTR genre), but you can't buy them any more, so have to use more devious means.

Myself, DA and Lanky still hang out in the old Age of Empires channel (#aoc), and occasionally MattM and Hiuey drop in as well, so if you fancy a game it's possible.

I'm going to echo pretty much everything CF has said.

If you do pick up Supreme Commander get its Forged Alliance expansion pack (me, CF and Lank have this) - It is available in a "gold" version containing both for about £15 I think.

We've got the multiplayer down to a breeze with a third party lobby application and the online play is immense.
 

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I've ordered;

C+C Generals (with expansion): http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0000DJX3N/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=A18MMCFPGNUX2

Supreme Commander (with expansion): http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3511776/-/Product.html

Age of Empires 2 (with expansion): http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/3321327/-/Product.html - bought for for AoE2 and the expansion, but this was the cheapest way to buy it.

Battle for Middle Earth: http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/185913/-/Product.html

Battle for Middle Earth 2: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000CED8SA/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=AVXB5JQRCA15O


I have AoM already without the Titans expansion, but I don't think it really offered much, again the cheapest way to purchase that is the "combo" which is about £6.

I know I can download most of these games without paying for them but meh, with games I like having the actual disc and they're not too expensive. With my limited download capacity (yay for my dad throttling it as I moved back home).
 

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Huzzah :) You'll love SupCom, hopefully we can get a 2v2 going with CF and Lank at some point. Idle on #AoC whenever you've a chance, we're there a fair bit.
 

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In terms of strategy games, you will never find anything finer than the Hearts of Iron series. (HoI 3 is the latest and greatest one, the others are horrifyingly glitchy).

You're running a country between 1936 and 1951 (i think) and you run EVERYTHING, elections, military, R&D, diplomacy etc. It's really remarkable and I've never played anything like it before.

It's got a learning curve like Mount Everest, and is nigh on impossible to figure everything out in one round. It has really terrific AI automation protocols that let it run segments of the country for you, so you can focus on running one portion of the country at a time, I often concentrate on the military side of things and let the AI run the country, but you can play at all levels. Greatest strategy game I've really played.

As someone said, Total War Games are IMMENSELY fun. You won't find anything quite like them in the gaming world either. The latest and greatest are the best, but everything back to Rome Total War is amazing.
 

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In terms of strategy games, you will never find anything finer than the Hearts of Iron series. (HoI 3 is the latest and greatest one, the others are horrifyingly glitchy).

You're running a country between 1936 and 1951 (i think) and you run EVERYTHING, elections, military, R&D, diplomacy etc. It's really remarkable and I've never played anything like it before.

It's got a learning curve like Mount Everest, and is nigh on impossible to figure everything out in one round. It has really terrific AI automation protocols that let it run segments of the country for you, so you can focus on running one portion of the country at a time, I often concentrate on the military side of things and let the AI run the country, but you can play at all levels. Greatest strategy game I've really played.

As someone said, Total War Games are IMMENSELY fun. You won't find anything quite like them in the gaming world either. The latest and greatest are the best, but everything back to Rome Total War is amazing.

I'll try the others before I go for HoI, only strategy games I've played are "Age of ...", so a steep learning curve doesn't offer excitement. The Total War games are turn based which puts me off massively. I played Civ a bit, until my computer had a fit over it and it being turn based... just didn't push my buttons.
As a follow up from all the suggestions on here I go on play.com and read the game's reviews from there, hence deciding to go for C+C Generals above the other C+C options. HoI only seems to get average ratings, commenting on it being just soo complicated and about it being buggy.

On a side note, based on Alci's suggestion (to be fair amongst other things) I bought an iPhone, which was a bad move. So bore off, you silly Canadian.
 

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There's a good reason that Starcraft 2 progames draw crowds like this. Not only is it a game with an almost limitless skill ceiling and strategic depth, it's grown in to a huge esport over the years where the top players draw 6 figure salaries and sponsorship deals. Believe it or not, not only is it fun to play, it's also really damn fun to watch too. A lot of people find the idea of watching other people play a video game to be kinda weird, but it's one of the big reasons that Starcraft 2 has succeeded in the long term as an esport where others have failed, it's watchability.

If you don't mind a game with a high skill ceiling (and a lot of people can't, it's a game which takes a lot of practice to get any good at) then it's definitely worth a look. Luckily Blizzard improved the match making system for SC2 where it will automatically match you up against people of similar skill, and it works very well. There'll be a new expansion coming out sometime this year too, should be fun ^.^
 

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There's a good reason that Starcraft 2 progames draw crowds like this. Not only is it a game with an almost limitless skill ceiling and strategic depth, it's grown in to a huge esport over the years where the top players draw 6 figure salaries and sponsorship deals. Believe it or not, not only is it fun to play, it's also really damn fun to watch too. A lot of people find the idea of watching other people play a video game to be kinda weird, but it's one of the big reasons that Starcraft 2 has succeeded in the long term as an esport where others have failed, it's watchability.

If you don't mind a game with a steep learning curve (and a lot of people do mind, it's a game which takes practice to get any good at) then it's definitely worth a look. Luckily Blizzard improved the match making system for SC2 where it will automatically match you up against people of similar skill, and it works very well. There'll be a new expansion coming out sometime this year too, should be fun ^.^

Oh, and drop by #broodwar if you want to ask questions and ****, it's an SC channel for bush players. It's surprisingly active.
 

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Reckon get SC2 or the older ones? I would like to have a "new" game with funky graphics as the other games that I've ordered are older, but I'd rather get the best out of multiplayer (online or setting up your own map against AI).
 

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Get Starcraft 1 only for the storyline; SC2 is a much prettier game, and really polished. once you play the SC2 UI, you won't want to play anything else.
 

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In terms of strategy games, you will never find anything finer than the Hearts of Iron series. (HoI 3 is the latest and greatest one, the others are horrifyingly glitchy).

You're running a country between 1936 and 1951 (i think) and you run EVERYTHING, elections, military, R&D, diplomacy etc. It's really remarkable and I've never played anything like it before.

It's got a learning curve like Mount Everest, and is nigh on impossible to figure everything out in one round. It has really terrific AI automation protocols that let it run segments of the country for you, so you can focus on running one portion of the country at a time, I often concentrate on the military side of things and let the AI run the country, but you can play at all levels. Greatest strategy game I've really played.

As someone said, Total War Games are IMMENSELY fun. You won't find anything quite like them in the gaming world either. The latest and greatest are the best, but everything back to Rome Total War is amazing.

To echo what Alci said, any paradox interactive game is fantastic.

Paradox interactive specialise in their grand strategy games, meaning a game where you dont just focus on kill the enemy, it goes into depth on economics, politics, relations, war, peace, trading, industry, leaders and MORE.

I know that all sounds a little daunting but it shouldn't as while the learning curve to master them is steep, the learning curve to play them is ridiculously small. Thanks to some of the most advanced and flexible AI control options I have ever seen in a game, you can focus on the things that interest you the most in the game.

Im gonna do a break down of their titles and the features unique to them with easily followed headings so you can reference what interests you the most.
..............................................................................................Titles....................................................................................................
There is a feature within Paradox interactive games called the grand campaign, this allows you to port from 1 title to the next to play over 1000 years of history, as such titles are in historical order

Europa Universalis: Rome
an amazing expansion on the Europa Universalis Title's, EU:rome, places you dead in the center of roman europe, starting with romes conquest of the greek city states on italy proper. You can play as any country during ANY POINT in roman history! With a country selection system unique to the EU:R, you can choose not just a year but the day and month stepping into the shoes of a great general on the verge of a prominent battle, or going back a couple years to change the course of history itself!

Features:
-Start at any date between 280 B.C. and 27 B.C.
-Choose between 10 different cultures, including the Roman, Celtic, Greek and Egyptian civilizations.
-with more than 53 playable factions on a map spanning hundreds of provinces.
-Watch your characters develop new traits through political intrigue and various interactions with thousands of other characters.
-Trade, negotiate or fight with your neighbours and advance your technologies to unite the Mediterranean World.
-Beware the Barbarian HORDE! marching through a barbarian provrince may anger them, causing them to take arms and go a pillaging, if your not careful you could be facing barbarians at the gates of rome itself!

Note: It is possible to port from EU:rome to CK, however as the time span between the end of rome and start of ck is over 1000 years, its not a very comman inclusion in players choice for a "Grand Campaign"
My reccomendation:
Getting EU:r gold version (which include vae victis expansion) is the best choice you could make, its an excellent introduction to the genre not to mention an extremely fun and ridiculously replayable experience.

Crusader Kings
Crusader Kings, puts you in the role of a fuedal lord in medeival europe, around the time of the first crusade. As the title implies, a large portion of the games mechanics is geared towards Crusading against the "heathen" in the holy land (and elsewhere ;)).
Features:
- Choose to play as any (christian) fuedal lord in europe, including counts, dukes, princes, kings and emperors, while interacting with many other christian and non-christian lords.
- Part of something bigger: Instead of just stepping in and trying to rule the world you can choose to play as a count, who may be vassel to a duke, who could be a vassel of a king or even an emperor.
- Feudal politics within your own kingdom (between you, your vassals, your lord and even your vassals- vassals (yes thats right, your vassals- vassals dont answer directly to you!))
- Assasins: to weak to fight a battel? Diplomacy has failed? KILL THEM ALL! Send in your assassins to take out an enemy general or even their king, perhaps you may even kill someone from whom you stand to inherit, an easy
- War: without a solid casus belli, you simply CANNOT declare war on a fellow christian, even with one, the world wont like it.
- Heathens: go on crusade and free the holy land (or wherever the pope wants) from the heathen, gaining prestige, piety and land that comes at a much lower badboy cost then christian land, or just take the heathen *******s closer to home.
- Mongols: Be prepared, in the 13th century, the mongols will come, if your not ready, or there is to much fighting within europe they will soon burn paris and rome!
- the black death: Huge swathes of your population wiped out by plague, but be weary, for you opponents may not have suffered such heavy losses.

My recommendation:
Crusader kings is the single greatest game I have ever played, A brilliant introduction into the Grand strategy games of paradox interactive, as well as being a ground breaking and innovative look at one of the worlds most interesting periods. If your interested in obtaining this game I recommend looking at CK1 as opposed to CK2 (the difference between CK1 and CK2 is the difference between age 1 and age 5) CK1 has everything that makes the game great but with a much lower learning curve, stepping into CK2, as a newcomer to the game is just ridiculous you will think WOW what an amazing game, then you will spend 45 minutes on the loading screen picking a country.

Tl:dr best game in the entire franchise, pick CK1 over CK2.


Europa Universalis
Europa universalis is set in the later middle ages, it gives you the option to play as any country of any religion that was discovered inside the period of time that the game covers. You can port you CK or CK2 save file to any Europa Universalis version.

I am personally more familiar with EU 1 and EU 2 then the EU3, so I may miss some of the latest features of gameplay.
- 100's of countries to choose from.
- get promoted as your country expands, prospers and becomes renowned.
- fulfill missions to obtain bonuses
- recruit Leaders, (some historical others not) who will grant you fantastic bonuses... wouldn't leonardo divinci make a good head of science?
- Marry your royal family around to other powerful nations to form closer ties and maybe even create a union (where another country joins yours under one monarch!)
- discover the new world and drive out the mayans, or exploite the riches of far away india.

MY reccomendation:
this is the game that got me into the series, I never really had a chance to play EU3, but both 1 and 2 are amazing games, with reasonably low learning curves... the real difficulty is in mastering it!

Victoria
The only thing I have spent more time playing then Victoria, is VIctoria 2. An amazing game with a rather well tailored learning curve, due to the ability to switch on and off AI control for most feautres, you can concentrate on the basics, releasing more responsibility to player control, as you need it.

Set in the 19th centure, Victoria follows the rise of nationalism and colonialism in, primarily, europe. WHile you can play as any country in the world, only european countries stand a chance of building a true colonial empire, although its always interesting to take a country like persia and attempt to westernize while holding off the colonial might that will slowly but surely sorround you.

Features (V2)
- Free choice of nation.
- Political freedom like no other game, start as a totalarian government ruled purely by the king/queen (Her/his majesties government), give your people some freedom to keep down the liberal rebels or fight to keep all democratic ideas out of your nation! On the other hand you can play as a democracy or constituional monarchy like great britain and spread the liberal ideals on the flags of you warships!
- Within V2 is a complete economic simulator, a mini game if you will, of price rise and falls, supply and demand, The introduction of a new good to the market (invention of the automobile for example). The world wide war that has cut off all access to Tea!
- Diplomacy, build alliances, sow distrust, spread fear and anger, then strike while there reeling, whatever it is you wish to do the option is probably here.
- Warfare, call your allies or march alone, either way you can summon up your reserves, mobilizing a percentage of your poor strata to fight for you, but beware this can drastically hurt your industry and economy.
-Sphere's of influence: Great powers often controlled the smaller powers around them through diplomcy, cultural influence, economic means, or other more devious ways... Spread your influence and build up a sphere of influence on those countries you wish to control and boost your own economy, power and prestige, while gaining a loyal ally who will obey your ever whim!
- so many more features that I am to lazy to cover!

My reccomendation:
Get this game Victoria 2 is in an investment you will not regret, easy to drop 100 hours of your life into this baby without batting an eyelash!

Hearts of Iron

I believe Alci has covered this well enough.




The Grand Campaign

There is so much flexibility within Paradox interactive games, that you can play a period spanning 2000 years of history and then replay it 100 more times, never doing the same thing twice.

My reccomended choices for a grand campaign are:
CK1 -----> EU2 -----> Vic2 -----> HOI3

I left out EU:rome, as there is 1000 years between it and CK1, as such I do not include it in my games. I also dropped back to CK1 instead of CK2 and EU2 instead of EU3, for 2 reasons, I am more familiar with both CK1 and EU2 and also there not quite as in depth games, making the flow on experience of the grand campaign more enjoyable, for standalone games you may want to look into CK2 or EU3.










Ok, so now That I have done that wall of text, the other strategy game that i would highly recommend is Creeper World. Nice, in depth, yet also casual, strategy with a unique and brilliant concept behind it.

I find Creeper world a hard game to explain so instead here is a link to a flash version created to advertise the game, absolutely amazing!

Creeper World - Training Simulator http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld/web/play.php

Creeper World2 - Academy http://knucklecracker.com/creeperworld2/web/playcw2a.php

With creeper world 3 in the works now is a great time to jump on the bandwagon for this ridiculously cheap and addictive game. If you like the flash versions please go buy the full game 100 times better!






All games I have reccomended here can be found at www.gamersgate.com, this is in my experience the cheapest and most reliable site for purchasing of games.
 
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