Land Seed Reduction
- Thread starter Zaheen
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Hi Iamsmart!
I have to be honest, I've heard about this before but never studied it. So I took a few snapshots of drive-byes this morning to take a look and the results were... surprising.
Prediction
Having a large acre count results in a smaller income, therefore we will see fewer seeds per acre at higher acre counts than lower acre counts.
Method
Take a drive-by of the same target two ticks in a row, take the seed difference, and then calculate the number of seeds harvested by a single acre.
Results - Summer
Trees:
6 acres yields 623 seeds per acre.
275 acres yields 622 seeds per acre.
11,374 acres yields 622 seeds per acre.
17,293 acres yields 622 seeds per acre.
Bush:
8 acres yields 1,990 seeds per acre.
203 acres yields 1,990 seeds per acre.
19,755 acres yields 1,990 seeds per acre.
31,182 acres yields 1,990 seeds per acre.
Flower:
6 acres yields 11,605 seeds per acre.
16 acres yields 11,604 seeds per acre.
3,038 acres yields 11,604 seeds per acre.
4,552 acres yields 11,604 seeds per acre.
Grass:
6 acres yields 19,893 seeds per acre.
16 acres yields 19,892 seeds per acre.
2,788 acres yields 19,892 seeds per acre.
3,927 acres yields 19,892 seeds per acre.
Conclusion
There is no detectable decrease in the number of seeds produced per acre for higher acre counts. Therefore - there is no reduced income for higher acre counts O.O
Further Work
If someone count independently verify these results then awesome. I haven't tested if you grow less for higher acre counts than usual, but I suspect not.
I have to be honest, I've heard about this before but never studied it. So I took a few snapshots of drive-byes this morning to take a look and the results were... surprising.
Prediction
Having a large acre count results in a smaller income, therefore we will see fewer seeds per acre at higher acre counts than lower acre counts.
Method
Take a drive-by of the same target two ticks in a row, take the seed difference, and then calculate the number of seeds harvested by a single acre.
Results - Summer
Trees:
6 acres yields 623 seeds per acre.
275 acres yields 622 seeds per acre.
11,374 acres yields 622 seeds per acre.
17,293 acres yields 622 seeds per acre.
Bush:
8 acres yields 1,990 seeds per acre.
203 acres yields 1,990 seeds per acre.
19,755 acres yields 1,990 seeds per acre.
31,182 acres yields 1,990 seeds per acre.
Flower:
6 acres yields 11,605 seeds per acre.
16 acres yields 11,604 seeds per acre.
3,038 acres yields 11,604 seeds per acre.
4,552 acres yields 11,604 seeds per acre.
Grass:
6 acres yields 19,893 seeds per acre.
16 acres yields 19,892 seeds per acre.
2,788 acres yields 19,892 seeds per acre.
3,927 acres yields 19,892 seeds per acre.
Conclusion
There is no detectable decrease in the number of seeds produced per acre for higher acre counts. Therefore - there is no reduced income for higher acre counts O.O
Further Work
If someone count independently verify these results then awesome. I haven't tested if you grow less for higher acre counts than usual, but I suspect not.
antisback
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Think you messed up somewhere there max, it definitely at least used to vary the last time i tested it ~20 rounds ago
Just had a quick check on my own acres and found these
Acres: Seeds/(tick.acre)
4,964 : 533 - Tree
9,523 : 1,705 - Bush
1,295 : 10,498 - Flower
1,200 : 17,050 - Grass
Just had a quick check on my own acres and found these
Acres: Seeds/(tick.acre)
4,964 : 533 - Tree
9,523 : 1,705 - Bush
1,295 : 10,498 - Flower
1,200 : 17,050 - Grass
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OK tried it again across 4 different IDs on the same 2 tick spread and got the same values as you:
Acres ---- Seeds / (tick.acre)
17,293 ---- 532.80
31,182 ---- 1704.96
4,552 ---- 10498.14
3,927 ---- 17049.60
6 ---- 534.33
8 ---- 1706.13
6 ---- 10499.67
6 ---- 17051.17
275 ---- 532.84
203 ---- 1705.00
16 ---- 10498.75
16 ---- 17050.19
4964 ---- 532.80
9523 ---- 1704.96
1295 ---- 10498.14
1200 ---- 17049.61
Still no difference detected in acre amounts.
Acres ---- Seeds / (tick.acre)
17,293 ---- 532.80
31,182 ---- 1704.96
4,552 ---- 10498.14
3,927 ---- 17049.60
6 ---- 534.33
8 ---- 1706.13
6 ---- 10499.67
6 ---- 17051.17
275 ---- 532.84
203 ---- 1705.00
16 ---- 10498.75
16 ---- 17050.19
4964 ---- 532.80
9523 ---- 1704.96
1295 ---- 10498.14
1200 ---- 17049.61
Still no difference detected in acre amounts.
Zaheen
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You technically just gave your ID away... ;P
antisback
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My id's public anyway
Actually yeah I've just done a retest with several id's, and while the number of seeds harvested is different depending on night/day it seems to change very little across total acres (less than half a seed) but i suppose that add's up over a large number of acres.
So it does vary because although it's only .2 of a seed, multiply that by 20000 and... it's still pretty minimal
oh well, azzer lied to us all! It's basically constant!(apologies max you are indeed correct!)
Zaheen
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I know XDMy id's public anyway
That sneaky little worm...maybe he just coded it wrong? Or maybe it kicks into effect at extremely high land levels, much higher than your land count?
^_^
antisback
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Right, this has piqued my inner geek so I did some linear regression (I know, so cool...)
[geek]
I took the total seeds produced and plotted them against the acres for each plant type, below are the seeds per acre per tick and the amount of variation across the a range of acres
Night - Clear:
Tree: 532.8006657 +/- 0.000294588 Seeds
Bush: 1704.960339 +/- 0.000145126 Seeds
Flower: 10498.13557 +/- 0.000858704 Seeds
Grass: 17049.60286 +/- 0.001034635 Seeds
Night - Slightly Cloudy:
Tree: 444.0022723 +/- 0.001840254 Seeds
Bush: 1420.801044 +/- 0.001031714 Seeds
Flower: 9393.074408 +/- 0.005066927 Seeds
Grass: 14208.00867 +/- 0.005637246 Seeds
Day - Sunny:
Tree: 621.6007202 +/- 0.000354113 Seeds
Bush: 1989.120356 +/- 0.000177354 Seeds
Flower: 11603.20256 +/- 0.000990579 Seeds
Grass: 19891.20317 +/- 0.001207015 Seeds
In short for Clear Weather across 6 data points ranging between 100 & 50000 Total Acres the average percentage variation was 0.000008%, though grass was significantly higher than the others.
In slightly cloudy weather across 3 data points ranging between 182 and 17000 Total Acres the average percentage variation was 0.000053%, once again grass was significantly higher.
So the variation is alot higher in bad weather than clear weather, so maybe in really bad conditions the variation becomes significant but as far as I can tell from what I've seen here the variation is so minute, and nowhere near as significant as weather/time of day!
I have some graphs but they don't really show much.
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[geek]
I took the total seeds produced and plotted them against the acres for each plant type, below are the seeds per acre per tick and the amount of variation across the a range of acres
Night - Clear:
Tree: 532.8006657 +/- 0.000294588 Seeds
Bush: 1704.960339 +/- 0.000145126 Seeds
Flower: 10498.13557 +/- 0.000858704 Seeds
Grass: 17049.60286 +/- 0.001034635 Seeds
Night - Slightly Cloudy:
Tree: 444.0022723 +/- 0.001840254 Seeds
Bush: 1420.801044 +/- 0.001031714 Seeds
Flower: 9393.074408 +/- 0.005066927 Seeds
Grass: 14208.00867 +/- 0.005637246 Seeds
Day - Sunny:
Tree: 621.6007202 +/- 0.000354113 Seeds
Bush: 1989.120356 +/- 0.000177354 Seeds
Flower: 11603.20256 +/- 0.000990579 Seeds
Grass: 19891.20317 +/- 0.001207015 Seeds
In short for Clear Weather across 6 data points ranging between 100 & 50000 Total Acres the average percentage variation was 0.000008%, though grass was significantly higher than the others.
In slightly cloudy weather across 3 data points ranging between 182 and 17000 Total Acres the average percentage variation was 0.000053%, once again grass was significantly higher.
So the variation is alot higher in bad weather than clear weather, so maybe in really bad conditions the variation becomes significant but as far as I can tell from what I've seen here the variation is so minute, and nowhere near as significant as weather/time of day!
I have some graphs but they don't really show much.
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No-Dachi
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I'm not geeky enough to understand that, but the results amazes me. I've always felt that my income predictions fails me at higher acre-levels.
Zaheen
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Haha, they fail because of the randomness in weather most likely.
I think Polo's prediction is a little too high, I use a prediction in my spreadsheet at 100% Sun (including night ticks), and then multiply the total by 80%, 70%, 60% depending on the season.
I've also had little tests and saved seeds for X amount of time to try and get it accurate and in the end I just stuck at around 70%. You'll never get it fully accurate due to weather changes and 70% seems to be close to my tests but that could have been a lucky test. It probably drops to 50% in Winter during bad weather.
Ah. I only asked because I was writing a long list of suggestions before I/Azzer quit to overhaul the game to be more 'balanced' without a quick clear winner, and this was one of many 'major' things I wanted to change, but never got around to doing the actual math of the current system (I only have the stats for start of round simulations).
The results are quite disappointing....
:/
The results are quite disappointing....
:/
