Honourable attacks

[MattM]

Case in point; attacking at 75%, no defence, solo target.

[range] 1,313,648 allied Biker attacked, killing 1 hostile staff.
[range] 1,633,733 allied Petrol Bomber lobbed Molotov Cocktails and killed 137,349 hostile staff.

Died: 137,350 [£13,740,900] enemies dead.

You gained 19 effectiveness.
You gained 12.27 fame.
You gained 11.01 honour.

Bizarrely high h/f, compared to two ticks later:

[close] 250,000 hostile Protestor Leader attacked, distracting 62,480 allied staff.
[close] 3,600,000 hostile Political Mastermind attacked, distracting 11,685,350 allied staff.
[close] 1,051,634 allied Biker attacked, killing 864,733 hostile staff.
[close] 2,089,372 hostile Protestor Guru attacked, distracting 90,275 allied staff.
[close] 152,596 hostile Loudspeaker Protestor shouted in the ears of and distracted 22,726 allied staff.
[close] 219,042 allied Heavy Thug attacked, killing 64,485 hostile staff.
[close] 2,709,712 allied Jeep attacked, killing 195,273 hostile staff.

Distracted: 11,860,831 [£76,208,158,000] friendlies distracted.
Died: 1,124,491 [£27,930,033,500] enemies dead.

You gained 32,501 effectiveness.
You gained 3.49 fame.
You gained 7.31 honour.

 

[MattM]

For what it's worth, my take on what I posted above (to try and rationalise it) is that the target sent out on the first tick, so I killed everything he had at home. Thus the h/f calculator believes this tick was very successful and hence grants a lot of h/f. On the last tick, only a small number of the foe's forces were killed, so it was less successful, and hence granted less h/f.

That being said, the mid-tick was:

[middle] 1,313,648 allied Biker attacked, killing 1 hostile staff.
[middle] 1,633,733 allied Petrol Bomber lobbed Molotov Cocktails and killed 102 hostile staff.

Died: 103 [£71,000] enemies dead.

You gained 0 effectiveness.
You gained 2.45 fame.
You gained 4.83 honour.

So I am inclined to believe antisback's postulate- h/f is just a complete lottery

 

[tobapopalos]

How does honour/fame work? Azzer attached a random number generator to the game mechanics and told us all it was this complicated formula then sat back and laughed at us all as the game threw out random numbers and we tried to explain it.

I've yet to see anything in all the time I've played the game to convince me otherwise...

This.

 

[Stargazer]

attacking at 40% where just geos fire has lost me honour every time (about 30-50)..no one trailing or anything :s

 

[Garrett2]

Attacking at 40% will lose you honour every time (w/o def)

 

[Stargazer]

In which case, here's a tip - if you attack between 40-67% and it's only a flak attack (i.e. nothing fires apart from the land stealing geos) you'll lose a pretty negligible amount of honour, like -5.

If you repeat hit the same target though you lose honour far quicker.

But you may find you can "get away with" small honour losses which are worth the land gain.

 

[tobapopalos]

Attacking at 40% will lose you honour every time (w/o def)

Unless they're in a decent-sized alliance. The 3% alliance score makes a big difference.

 

[willymchilybily]

Mattm. You killed a mixture of the guys own units first tick, probably lethals too.

You killed pure nld following ticks. Hitting nld/nlt gives less honour. Especially pure nld or pure nlt. As it was to stop you being able to farm h/f from hitting poms who provide little fight back.

stargazer... Attacking 66% and above will not lose you honour. What max was on about was if you just flak through and grab land at say 40% you only lose a small amount of honour and only if u steal. this can be balanced against killing an enemy in the honourable range. Lose 15 honour grabbing land gain 50-70 honour over a few ticks hitting at honourable range.


As for honourable attacks vs defence. Ive had BRs where ive lost honour one tick against 3 fake defenders. But gained it the following tick against 1 real defender. Having actual troops and actual troop score defending against you makes a massive impact on h/f calc. As for just the fact there is defence, its impact to me appears so negligible im unsure if it has an effect.

Finally honour gains etc are proportional to attack range. At over 70% range its much more noticable gain. I also suspect the stuff affecting fame and effectiveness may impact to a much lesser extent the honour. Eg. Rushing < honour. No proof but i think it might have a lesser effect. Certainly noticably effects fame

 

[Stargazer]

Mattm. You killed a mixture of the guys own units first tick, probably lethals too.

stargazer... Attacking 66% and above will not lose you honour. What max was on about was if you just flak through and grab land at say 40% you only lose a small amount of honour and only if u steal. this can be balanced against killing an enemy in the honourable range. Lose 15 honour grabbing land gain 50-70 honour over a few ticks hitting at honourable

Promise you like 8/10 times I just pure flak at 40% (only thing fires is geos LT/no one following etc)I loose massive honour like 40-70,it's not got anything to do with cyborgs has it?

 

[Alcibiades]

Mattm. You killed a mixture of the guys own units first tick, probably lethals too.

stargazer... Attacking 66% and above will not lose you honour. What max was on about was if you just flak through and grab land at say 40% you only lose a small amount of honour and only if u steal. this can be balanced against killing an enemy in the honourable range. Lose 15 honour grabbing land gain 50-70 honour over a few ticks hitting at honourable

Promise you like 8/10 times I just pure flak at 40% (only thing fires is geos LT/no one following etc)I loose massive honour like 40-70,it's not got anything to do with cyborgs has it?

Only thing I can think of is that you must have hit them before.

 

[jamesNchina]

don't know if it is an accurate observation or not really, but it seems I get more honor when attacking a 'red' title than basically the equivalent BR on a 'green' target. :/

 

[Seetal]

I have just started playing again this round and I thought that I should post a hit I just did. I hit a solo who was 66% of me, he had no defence and sadly he got destroyed. Here are the figures:
1st tick
Died: 716,127 [£5,288,382,200] friendlies dead. 32,122,871 [£776,733,589,400] enemies dead.

You gained 1,088,273 effectiveness.
You gained 63.91 fame.
You gained 34.12 honour.
You earned £485,162,382,270 bounty.
You will soon be receiving £774,852,800 insurance.

2nd tick

Died: 275,368 [£823,424,000] enemies dead.

You gained 1,153 effectiveness.
You gained 8.36 fame.
You gained 16.08 honour.
You earned £77,780,823 bounty.

Now I don't know/remember how honour gains etc work as i've not been around for the past 4 years or so. That 2nd tick I got quite a bit of honour for doing pretty much nothing, although I finished him off. Also that 1st tick to me seemed like I should have earned more honour than 34 but like I said I haven't been around in a while so I don't know. I can't seem to get over 30-35 honour a tick, even if I hit somebody 100% my score. Any thoughts?

 

[tobapopalos]

It looks pretty standard to me.

 

[LuckySports]

34/35 is pretty much the most honor you can gain on an attack in a tick I believe, with a few exceptions for adren rushes I think.

 

[Max]

SEETAL! Good to see you again pal

Your h/f gains are indeed pretty standard. You were balancing on a tightrope between honour gained and honour lost at 66% though - in reality you will only gain honour if you attack above 66.67%, so just in case you didn't realise try to keep attacks to 67% and above at the time of sending

 

[LuckySports]

You CAN get no honor gain (I have verified this, this round myself) but the window is hard to hit.

 

[Seetal]

Hey Max, yeah he was dropping from 67 to 66 again and again so must have been over that 66.67% lucky me hehe. I've seen people get honour gains of 40 before, probably rushes then. I'll remember that for next time guys. Thanks.

 

[Souls]

You gained 6,969,618 effectiveness.
You gained 51.60 fame.
You gained 65.27 honour.
You will soon be receiving £182,205,210,000 insurance.

I've only ever gained more than 40 on defense