Sleep Mode

[Dark_Angel]

I am ofc referring to Friday night, Martin, when my entire alliance decided they couldnt be arsed with mass inc from RRR and wanted to rain on your parade by simply hitting sleep

I'd never plan retals on Pols, nor am I talking about a desire when I hit Pols to organise a retal, of any kind.

I'm talking about being able to socialise through the game, and I don't see why this should be taken away from you just because you don't want to get raped to the floor because you're not online.

It just seems a bit excessive, IMO, to remove the social element of the game just because you don't want to be raped. I'll personally be a lot more reluctant to hit sleep mode again, given the IMO excessive and extremely restrictive nature of sleep' :/

Not being able to attack, defend, and having your seed production massively decreased is more than enough of a downside for sleep mode, IMO. (Oh, and developments being halted, too).

Removing the socialising element of gameplay is too far. (Yes this isnt just a gripe about not being able to perform as a leader/alliance member while in sleep - Bushtarion is a game for socialising as much as anything else!)

 

[timtadams]

I don't know why so many people think that sleeping to avoid being zeroed is a bad thing, and thus must have severe consequences. There are enough bad points. Much less seed yield, inability to do anything whatsoever and a lack of options for sleep time. I hardly think that being able to at least view politics and mail while in sleep modes offsets these advantages in the slightest.

Lots of people say that "oh, you cant talk in your sleep or use your mobile, so why should you be able to use in game messaging?" But I know that i can wake up whenever i bloody well like. You don't get that choice for sleep mode. So lets not base this argument on parallels with sleeping in real life.

Btw, shouldnt sleep mode help inactive people? Currently the most active and contactable people win the game (or noobs in a nooblock ). So why should it be harder for the less active to do well? Even if they are hiding behind it, they cant hide forever, and if you really care about hitting them, wait for them to wake up and hit them.

And the communication issue has already been discussed. We know that pretty much anyone can use IRC or something similar to organise defence ect, thus negating the need for ingame messaging systems. The main reason we want to be able to use (or at least view them in my opinion) is just for convenience, as well as something to do while we wait to come out of sleep mode. I know why this annoys DA as i have once been in sleep mode while allied and it was annoying not even being able to read politics or see what is going on.

 

[Matthew]

I am ofc referring to Friday night, Martin, when my entire alliance decided they couldnt be arsed with mass inc from RRR and wanted to rain on your parade by simply hitting sleep

I'd never plan retals on Pols, nor am I talking about a desire when I hit Pols to organise a retal, of any kind.

I'm talking about being able to socialise through the game, and I don't see why this should be taken away from you just because you don't want to get raped to the floor because you're not online.

It just seems a bit excessive, IMO, to remove the social element of the game just because you don't want to be raped. I'll personally be a lot more reluctant to hit sleep mode again, given the IMO excessive and extremely restrictive nature of sleep' :/

Not being able to attack, defend, and having your seed production massively decreased is more than enough of a downside for sleep mode, IMO. (Oh, and developments being halted, too).

Removing the socialising element of gameplay is too far. (Yes this isnt just a gripe about not being able to perform as a leader/alliance member while in sleep - Bushtarion is a game for socialising as much as anything else!)

*points to the 'live chat' button that can still be accessed* if you wish to socialise you are given the option to do so by mibbit, if you do not use mibbit then you do not wish to socialise with the bushtarion community, you want to play the game. Your gripe has now been moved to the social element of the game which imo is epitomised by mIRC/Mibbit, in which you can still communicate with your fellow alliance members and the actual bushtarion community as a whole. If you do not wish to do this instead you are merely complaining for the sake of nothing. IGM and politics is not the best way to socialise through the in-game stuff provided.

 

[timtadams]

I am ofc referring to Friday night, Martin, when my entire alliance decided they couldnt be arsed with mass inc from RRR and wanted to rain on your parade by simply hitting sleep

I'd never plan retals on Pols, nor am I talking about a desire when I hit Pols to organise a retal, of any kind.

I'm talking about being able to socialise through the game, and I don't see why this should be taken away from you just because you don't want to get raped to the floor because you're not online.

It just seems a bit excessive, IMO, to remove the social element of the game just because you don't want to be raped. I'll personally be a lot more reluctant to hit sleep mode again, given the IMO excessive and extremely restrictive nature of sleep' :/

Not being able to attack, defend, and having your seed production massively decreased is more than enough of a downside for sleep mode, IMO. (Oh, and developments being halted, too).

Removing the socialising element of gameplay is too far. (Yes this isnt just a gripe about not being able to perform as a leader/alliance member while in sleep - Bushtarion is a game for socialising as much as anything else!)

*points to the 'live chat' button that can still be accessed* if you wish to socialise you are given the option to do so by mibbit, if you do not use mibbit then you do not wish to socialise with the bushtarion community, you want to play the game. Your gripe has now been moved to the social element of the game which imo is epitomised by mIRC/Mibbit, in which you can still communicate with your fellow alliance members and the actual bushtarion community as a whole. If you do not wish to do this instead you are merely complaining for the sake of nothing. IGM and politics is not the best way to socialise through the in-game stuff provided.

Well, if you want to be ignorant of the fact that maybe DA does not want to talk to the entire community and instead just wants to communicate with his alliance, then yes, he is complaining for the sake of it.

But ingame messaging is quite useful if you want to talk one on one with someone. And half the discussion in an alliance often goes on in the politics. This is often the case simply because they are convenient. While DA knows he could converse on IRC, he is missing out on half the conversations going on. So you see, it is taking an element of socialising out of the game (maybe not all of it, but enough to make it annoying and worthy of discussion)

 

[Dark_Angel]

I am ofc referring to Friday night, Martin, when my entire alliance decided they couldnt be arsed with mass inc from RRR and wanted to rain on your parade by simply hitting sleep

I'd never plan retals on Pols, nor am I talking about a desire when I hit Pols to organise a retal, of any kind.

I'm talking about being able to socialise through the game, and I don't see why this should be taken away from you just because you don't want to get raped to the floor because you're not online.

It just seems a bit excessive, IMO, to remove the social element of the game just because you don't want to be raped. I'll personally be a lot more reluctant to hit sleep mode again, given the IMO excessive and extremely restrictive nature of sleep' :/

Not being able to attack, defend, and having your seed production massively decreased is more than enough of a downside for sleep mode, IMO. (Oh, and developments being halted, too).

Removing the socialising element of gameplay is too far. (Yes this isnt just a gripe about not being able to perform as a leader/alliance member while in sleep - Bushtarion is a game for socialising as much as anything else!)

*points to the 'live chat' button that can still be accessed* if you wish to socialise you are given the option to do so by mibbit, if you do not use mibbit then you do not wish to socialise with the bushtarion community, you want to play the game. Your gripe has now been moved to the social element of the game which imo is epitomised by mIRC/Mibbit, in which you can still communicate with your fellow alliance members and the actual bushtarion community as a whole. If you do not wish to do this instead you are merely complaining for the sake of nothing. IGM and politics is not the best way to socialise through the in-game stuff provided.

Rofl Chewie, I'm an IRC OP - I'm fully aware we use IRC to communicate as well as politics

And whilst its an alternative form of communication, it doesnt provide a replacement for politics. That much is debatable, but me for, at least, Politics is invaluable and IRC is no replacement.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong - But IRC is "live" - Politics saves discussions. If I'm not on IRC I can't see what has been discussed

 

[Martin]

I am ofc referring to Friday night, Martin, when my entire alliance decided they couldnt be arsed with mass inc from RRR and wanted to rain on your parade by simply hitting sleep

I'd never plan retals on Pols, nor am I talking about a desire when I hit Pols to organise a retal, of any kind.

I'm talking about being able to socialise through the game, and I don't see why this should be taken away from you just because you don't want to get raped to the floor because you're not online.

It just seems a bit excessive, IMO, to remove the social element of the game just because you don't want to be raped. I'll personally be a lot more reluctant to hit sleep mode again, given the IMO excessive and extremely restrictive nature of sleep' :/

Not being able to attack, defend, and having your seed production massively decreased is more than enough of a downside for sleep mode, IMO. (Oh, and developments being halted, too).

Removing the socialising element of gameplay is too far. (Yes this isnt just a gripe about not being able to perform as a leader/alliance member while in sleep - Bushtarion is a game for socialising as much as anything else!)

*points to the 'live chat' button that can still be accessed* if you wish to socialise you are given the option to do so by mibbit, if you do not use mibbit then you do not wish to socialise with the bushtarion community, you want to play the game. Your gripe has now been moved to the social element of the game which imo is epitomised by mIRC/Mibbit, in which you can still communicate with your fellow alliance members and the actual bushtarion community as a whole. If you do not wish to do this instead you are merely complaining for the sake of nothing. IGM and politics is not the best way to socialise through the in-game stuff provided.

Rofl Chewie, I'm an IRC OP - I'm fully aware we use IRC to communicate as well as politics

And whilst its an alternative form of communication, it doesnt provide a replacement for politics. That much is debatable, but me for, at least, Politics is invaluable and IRC is no replacement.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong - But IRC is "live" - Politics saves discussions. If I'm not on IRC I can't see what has been discussed

I see your point I do, but sleep mode is used to hide, you should not be able to organise to the best of your ability when using the game to protect you....

 

[harriergirl]

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I'm talking about being able to socialise through the game, and I don't see why this should be taken away from you just because you don't want to get raped to the floor because you're not online.

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how can you socialise if you aren't online? I understand you underestimated your time away and this caused great inconvenience for you. I can appreciate that. However Please see the irony of your complaint with the big bold letters. That's what sleep mode is for, because you aren't online. In which case socialising is moot.

 

[Dark_Angel]

I...

I'm talking about being able to socialise through the game, and I don't see why this should be taken away from you just because you don't want to get raped to the floor because you're not online.

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how can you socialise if you aren't online? I understand you underestimated your time away and this caused great inconvenience for you. I can appreciate that. However Please see the irony of your complaint with the big bold letters. That's what sleep mode is for, because you aren't online. In which case socialising is moot.

People seem to have this absurd view that if you hit sleep mode for 24 hours you're not going to log in for the entirity of those 24 hours.

This is wrong. People hit sleep mode thinking they will be largely but not entirely unavailable for the period of time they're in "sleep mode".

My question is quite simple - if the person in sleep mode finds that they do have time to log in, should he/she really have their ability to communicate stolen from them?

In my eyes its a massive drawback to sleep, for some people, and less for others. As such I see no irony in what you're suggesting I should. (In fact I thought your quote quite pendatic, it would have been unnecessary for me to say "because you're not online for "a time" (not necessarily the amount of you hit sleep for) but then want to use pols/mail when you return but are in sleep" :/ )

 

[Weeble]

That's the entire point of sleep, so as it's not abusable.

If someone sticks themself into sleep mode for 24 hours thinking they may not be available for a large portion of that time, that's up to them. It simply means they'll be safe for those 24 hours. If it turns out that they are actually available for 12 out of those 24 hours, then, well it sucks that they hit 24 instead of 12.
If you were able to log in and communicate when it pleased you, instead of at the end of the selected time period, you'd effectively be negating a large portion of why sleep mode is available.

It's a price you have to pay. I see no reason to change that.

 

[Crumpet]

You used mass sleep mode to stop a mass attack and to prolong your life, you think you should have the ability (ingame) to plan retals when you get out of sleep, defence for others etc. etc.

No!

If you hit sleep mode, you are hiding from the game (as that's what sleep is) you should not be able to be pro-active in your actions when you are under such strong protection.

Agreed! It just needs a new name I think. Instead of "Sleep mode" it should be call "I'm a pussy so I'm hiding mode." Something to that effect.

If you can't handle the planning/defending while NOT in sleep why the hell should you be given the chance to deal with while IN sleep.

You made the choice deal with it.

 

[Dark_Angel]

Again, people are assuming I wanted to use pols to plan. I didn't. I just would have liked some way to "oversee" my alliance while in sleep :/ (Defence being fairly hard to coordinate in Politics if your entire alliance hit sleep with you )

Anyway, this is a gripe - not a suggestion to change things.

Sleep mode sucks. End of gripe

 

[Maxi]

It's working fine as it is now Imo. Am with Martin on this one. You lose social interaction but gain invincibility. There has to be downsides to hitting sleep.

 

[f0xx]

DA, no need to be so defensive. Noone is attacking you on a personal level. Most are talking in general.

Sleep mode makes you invincible. It must have drawbacks. Even more, it should be used only as a last resort method, which means that it should have more drawbacks than positives, to prevent it from being abused.

ALSO, one thing which I find that most people seem to forget, is that sleep mode is not here to make you invincible when you know you will get incomings. It is here to make you invincible when you know you won't be able to play at all, when you know that you will be away.

 

[timtadams]

Am i the only one who agrees with DA? Call it "im pussy so im hiding mode" but i still dont get why it is a bad thing, or why we have to 'deal with it'

I thought we established that this wasnt about planning defence and retals, which can be done in IRC anyway, but about socialising, duh

 

[Scorpio]

Am i the only one who agrees with DA?

Yep.

 

[Melnibone]

Am i the only one who agrees with DA? Call it "im pussy so im hiding mode" but i still dont get why it is a bad thing, or why we have to 'deal with it'

I thought we established that this wasnt about planning defence and retals, which can be done in IRC anyway, but about socialising, duh

what i dont understand is how being able to mail and see politics or incomings/outgoings etc is classed as 'social'. The social aspect of the game is done through IRC and skype imo, real-time communications are much more social than a mail or a post on a forum, i guess it depends on what you class as social though.

A leader of an alliance should think about the responsibility of their position before hitting sleep mode, i dont think theres anything wrong with sleep mode and i have used it many many times over a lot of rounds but i feel it is a very fair system.

No-one forces anyone to use it and before you do you know the consequences ergo its a good system as most people only use it in a dire emergency... which is exactly what its supposed to be

 

[Dark_Angel]

No-one forces anyone to use it and before you do you know the consequences ergo its a good system as most people only use it in a dire emergency... which is exactly what its supposed to be

Actually, nowhere does it say you won't be able to view politics/view or send mail.

In fact

and will be unable to perform many activities within your Bushtarion account.

Which is vague to say the least

The manual/wiki says nothing about you being unable to send/receive mail and view politics, either.

 

[Alcibiades]

The manual/wiki says nothing about you being unable to send/receive mail and view politics, either.

well instead of whining about it, why don't you create a wiki account and edit the proper consequences in. Then people will know for next time

Sleep mode sucks.

Then don't use it?

 

[Ranzou]

I don't see how viewing messages (without being able to reply to them, or otherwise act on them) gives you any sort of real, in-game benifits. Not being able to see messages is just annoying. Also, the downside of sleep mode is not being able to play/grow as many seeds as you normally would

 

[Alcibiades]

I don't see how viewing messages (without being able to reply to them, or otherwise act on them) gives you any sort of real, in-game benifits. Not being able to see messages is just annoying.

I don't see why you guys all want to see your ingame messages when you're in sleepmode. Why don't you take advantage of not having to refresh for several hours and do something else? Go outside; go touch yourself; go eat food; go read a book; go watch a movie; go do any of a hundred million things instead of read your ingame messages.

If you are so desperately needing to communicate with your alliances members; i suggest you use the live chat link for #bushtarion or your own IRC client. Or if as some people have stated, it is simply to be more sociable, you should be doing that through IRC; not through ingame messages or possibly through forums. Ingame mail is extremely ineffective for really socializing tbh.

And DA, as for 'overseeing your alliance'; if they've all hit sleepmode with you what do you need to oversee? Assuming they all hit SM for the same amount of time you can *all* go away until you come out of sleepmode and not have to worry about the game. or you can use IRC to chat, socialize, plan revenge etc while you're in sleepmode.

I don't really see the issue at hand here and don't intend on reading several pages of this thread, sorry so if i've missed it please someone enlighten me as to why you desperately need to be able to read your ingame messages when you're in sleepmode; since you can't really efficiently do anything about it. None of the arguments presented have made me see any reason to be able to use Ingame mail when in sleepmode. There are no reasons for it; at least, none presented here so far.