Re: #Bushtarion
Cyrus said:
and to add to my post, ops that care about the community not just the ban button. bobbin is a great ambassador for the 'we dont give a ****, we'll just ban you' club.
I give a ****. But I'm also a firm believer in the more you misbehave, the longer and more severe your punishments are. It's also the way Squiffy works. Being a repeat offender Cyrus I'm not surprised you get that impression from me, you're on a short leash sadly, as are alot of other people who get the harsher punishments. And it's your own doing.
Steve-God said:
1) The ops aren't welcoming: some of them are, however the majority aren't.
2) The conversation always seems to be about Herpes...
3) The people that are there, are often idling and not actually there at all.
1) What do you expect us to do, give a huge welcoming message to everyone that joins? Always be happy? You want us to become no more than nice welcoming bots? Sorry but we're people too, and the fact is, not all of us like everyone.
2) I never leave the channel, and I can't remember a conversation about herpes ever.
3) That's the point of IRC. You idle until there is a conversation you want to join in with.
Garett said:
how many times must people complain about gadfly, bobbin and others?
I've never gone into #bushtarion save to look for people. However, how do I know these names... because people (as in multiple and no not just 1 or 2 trouble makers... Other than the list of usual suspects I have no clue who is a *burden* in irc cuz i'm not there) have griped long and hard over these people.
Agreed. You're never there, so you have no idea how it is inside #Bushtarion.
Many people gripe about you also Garett. We're polite enough to keep gripes about people private though, and don't go for what comes down to little more than a witch hunt.
Garett said:
So even if gadfly and bobbin WERE innocent, which they most undoubtedly are NOT innocent, eventually after the # of complaints you'd think that Azzer would do some PR.
You know, I'm not innocent. I treat some people differently to others. Because some people deserve to be treated differently. Everyone is different and to treat people exactly the same would be akin to wanting everyone to be exactly the same. I never abuse the power I have though. Every kick and ban i give is for good reason, and are made using my best judgement using the rules that are set out as a guideline.
Garett said:
Half the misunderstandings from some of the logs I've seen is over the difference of the command of languages. Non-native english speaking and even American to Queen's English has different terms and contexts. In that respect we've got some pretty intolerant Ops up in this piece.
The nature of a multi-national and multi-cultural environment. And it's not just the ops that are intolerant. Alot of the users are too.
mrmongo said:
oooh the perfect solution to getting me back in #bushtarion would be to remove my ban.......
None of the ops can. As far as I know you're banned by Azzer. None of us have the power to over turn Azzer's rulings. If you want to be unbanned then speak to him about it.
harriergirl said:
It generally is only stupid spam or ops talking about WOW.
Of course we try and keep the spam down. But to complain about a channel where any topic of conversation is allowed (within reason... even political and religious debates are allowed, I can list alot of places they are not.) that the topic of conversation is WoW is just plain daft. If you don't like the topic then talk about something else. The great thing about technologies such as IRC, is you can have more than one conversation going on at a time, and if you don't like the current topic, you're more than welcome to start a new one.
Mattheus said:
A fair whack of the posts in this thread from so called disenchanted IRC users are people who didn't actually go into the channel much in the first place, so it's not really important.
I agree, a fair number of the complainers about the channel are those who never sit in there for more than a few minutes at a time. Sorry but joining for two minutes then leaving is not going to give you a decent view on how the channel is. I'm not saying it's perfect by any means, or that the amount of users in there hasn't gone down. But to complain about a channel when you spend 2 minutes at a time in there, is also, plain daft.
How to get people back in the channel? Hell if I know. But, I'm not going to let people bash me and my friends, because I'm telling you now, the channel and how it is run has not changed much in the past 5/6 years, If anything, the rules are now clearer... So it seems to me, how the channel is run is not the problem, it's you lot.
