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Old 19-04-2012, 06:52 PM   #16
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Old 19-04-2012, 07:58 PM   #17
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Fair bit of dispute over the FTW/FTFness of alliances this round. As an impartial player this round who has signed up mainly just to observe, its quite clear there is and only ever has been one FTW alliance.

Thus, an empty victory - One which should be avoided by those involved, split up and have some fun
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you spout utter nonesense. there is simply 1 winner, not 1 ftw. no-dachi said he was going for the win and lost. perhaps you should be a quiet observer.
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Old 19-04-2012, 08:02 PM   #19
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Fair bit of dispute over the FTW/FTFness of alliances this round. As an impartial player this round who has signed up mainly just to observe, its quite clear there is and only ever has been one FTW alliance.

Thus, an empty victory - One which should be avoided by those involved, split up and have some fun
Indeed, obvious. Nothing suggests otherwise.
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Old 19-04-2012, 08:09 PM   #20
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you spout utter nonesense. there is simply 1 winner, not 1 ftw. no-dachi said he was going for the win and lost. perhaps you should be a quiet observer.
Inaccurate, Garrett, but perhaps our definitions of a FTW alliance differ.

To me FTW isn't defined simply by that alliance's aim but its actual capacity to win. If Discworld said they were a FTW alliance but hovered around rank 6 all round would we recognize them as a proper 'FTW' alliance?

No - Because each and every member of that alliance must also share that FTW mentality - and clearly HW are the only alliance to meet that criteria this round.

Definitions aside, the fact remains that there is after a very short amount of time one alliance winning with no competition. Indeed there never has been competition, even before the round began.

My question in this thread, (I'm a commentator on the forums, an observer in-game (again to clarify )) is whether there is genuinely any point in the alliance continuing given nobody credits them with actually having achieved anything. (And, as a solution, whether there is more to achieve for those players in joining a FTF alliance and actually competing with other FTF alliances).

Apologies if this reads as a troll to those members of rank 1, but suck it up, I'm just saying
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Old 19-04-2012, 08:12 PM   #21
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DA, im in a low ranked alliance this round just messing around. If you had of seen it a few days earlier you'd be thinking there were 2 ftw allies

Attitude and HW both went ftw. Attitude were infact beating HW at some points and beating them in land too. But they crumbled pretty hardcore. Both alliances defo went for rank 1.
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lol Attitude launched the first attacks with 18 people. If that's not a ftw mentality, then not much else is.

by your definition there is only ever 1 ftw ally every round. the one that wins.

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Old 19-04-2012, 08:12 PM   #23
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Fair bit of dispute over the FTW/FTFness of alliances this round. As an impartial player this round who has signed up mainly just to observe, its quite clear there is and only ever has been one FTW alliance.

Thus, an empty victory - One which should be avoided by those involved, split up and have some fun
Perhaps you should look more closely as you seem to be mistaken regarding a few things. There is in fact very little dispute about the FTW/FTF nature of the alliances this round. Attitude and HW were both ftw, Dachi said he was (Attitude) and on behalf of HW I can confidently state we were going FTW. So where does the disputation of those points come in?

Attitude hit us first with what seemed like almost their whole alliance. An organized, large, well planned wave was not something to be expected from a FTF alliance. And for a FTF they seemed to launch a good number of ally attacks that must have been at least reasonably well organized in order for them to succeed. They were definitely playing FTW.

It isn't really relevant who won or lost, but you're making a few too many assumptions with a few too few facts DA.

Considering the effort we put into teching and being in a position where we could beat Attitude and then roll the waves onto Sixth Commandment (kudos on excellent defense btw) was not an "empty win". It might not have been the most hard fought, or most difficult win to achieve, but the effort and time put in by most players in HW should not be classed as "empty". We wanted it the most, we wanted it the hardest, and we got it, due in no small part to our EFFORT and because, frankly, we had Polo, and Martin

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you spout utter nonesense. there is simply 1 winner, not 1 ftw. no-dachi said he was going for the win and lost. perhaps you should be a quiet observer.
Inaccurate, Garrett, but perhaps our definitions of a FTW alliance differ.

To me FTW isn't defined simply by that alliance's aim but its actual capacity to win. If Discworld said they were a FTW alliance but hovered around rank 6 all round would we recognize them as a proper 'FTW' alliance?

No - Because each and every member of that alliance must also share that FTW mentality - and clearly HW are the only alliance to meet that criteria this round.
Garrett is right, of course.

DA, you're mistaken in believing that Attitude couldn't have won. They had the ability, the leadership, and the potential, at several points they were ahead of us in land, and troops. We were just lucky they didn't hit us when they had the advantage, and we struck hard as soon as we had it.

If DW said they were FTW I would not take them seriously, but if an alliance that No_Dachi is leading says they are going for the win, I'd be a fool to consider them as anything but a competitor.
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Old 19-04-2012, 08:17 PM   #24
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I weren't around the first couple of weeks Alci so I shall give way to your knowledge of having actually been there

From my perspective though, every alliance below ranks 2-5 being very similar in land/score - it didn't look HW had to try very hard to beat off any other "FTW" alliances. At least not the beating it'd have taken in times gone by.
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Well like I said, it wasn't the hardest fought battle for rank 1 But a battle was fought nonetheless amongst two competing alliances who both were fully capable of taking rank 1.
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If DW said they were FTW I would not take them seriously.
That's how we get you. Our greatest weapon is the element of surprise.

And DA is ofc retarded.
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Old 19-04-2012, 08:38 PM   #27
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IMO HW are probably the most organised, coherant and team orientated alliance I have ever been in. Combined with the 'leadership' being able to dedicate a fair amount of time at round-start to the well-being and progression of the alliance. On most FTW alliance's best day they'd have struggled to beat us.

None-the-less Atttitude spent their time ahead of us in land and score, and they hit us first with ~18 members (and due to Fly-Overs were joined by several other randoms as we had counted 21-22 IDs), we then entered a flak war which we had to win by buying a fair few Autos, slowing down the development of our best units.

but seriously DA, if you don't know anything about what's going on, then don't comment. If you do wish to comment, read other people's comments explainaing how and why you are wrong..
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but seriously DA, if you don't know anything about what's going on, then don't comment. If you do wish to comment, read other people's comments explainaing how and why you are wrong..
While martin is correct as usual, the last paragraph is the most important thing he said
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Old 19-04-2012, 09:17 PM   #29
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Old 19-04-2012, 10:07 PM   #30
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Whoever said the FTW big allys give other people chances who havnt played in them before is rubbish.

You would have to sit on irc and play for rounds and rounds before you could be trusted.
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